Friedman's 31 thoughts Dec 4 - Flames laughed off lowball offers for Bennett

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

, 'No we're not moving him, and next time you have an idea that stupid, just save the quarter, don't go to the payphone.' That team started telling teams, 'Yeah, we made an offer on Hamilton.' Now it's a rumour, it's got legs. Someone's like, 'Well, they must be moving him.'

Sounds like a prank call to Tre. Why else would the payphone be used?

Telegraph was down

[Dion]

Originally Posted by stang

Interesting...

Would you guys do a straight up Sam B for Jesse P swap?

First thing the Flames would have to do is get rid of the Oiler stench. With that being impossible i'd say pass.

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by stang

Interesting...

Would you guys do a straight up Sam B for Jesse P swap?

Does Jesse speak English now?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Does Jesse speak English now?

He knows at least four words...

Edmonton

Is

No

Good.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Surprised Bennett is sought out so much in the league.

Why? He's a useful player. He has skill, skating and physicality. People around here hate on him because they expected him to be a star and now hold it against him that he didn't become that. He's been underrated and undervalued on this board for a couple years now.

[Strange Brew]

He just doesn’t have that much skill IMO. His scoring skill is AHL level.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He just doesn’t have that much skill IMO. His scoring skill is AHL level.

He scores at an NHL level, so I'm curious what you attribute that to. There's 372 forward spots in the NHL and Bennett's 258th in points / 60 over the last 3 years.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

He scores at an NHL level, so I'm curious what you attribute that to. There's 372 forward spots in the NHL and Bennett's 258th in points / 60 over the last 3 years.

Being 258th in scoring doesn't exactly scream "skilled forward" to me. Does it to you? And I suspect that number isn't trending up, but rather the opposite.

I think guys like Alan Quine could replace that production. Now I'm fine with the argument that Bennett brings value in other ways, which he does, but when people start referring to his skill and use evidence like 258th in scoring, I have a hard time following.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Bennett could work on, firstly, his shot, and secondly, his goal disallowances.

Also his overall presence. He’s been invisible lately

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Bennett could work on, firstly, his shot, and secondly, his goal disallowances.

Also his overall presence. He’s been invisible lately

lol?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

lol?

Yes I was kidding, am aware he is on LTIR

Look forward to seeing what he does under Ward

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Coach

I’d actually like to see Johnny tried more on the right side. I think it could open up different passing options he hasn’t had access to before.

At the very least it would stop him from taking that stupid shot from the goal line he loves so much.

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[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Being 258th in scoring doesn't exactly scream "skilled forward" to me. Does it to you? And I suspect that number isn't trending up, but rather the opposite.

I think guys like Alan Quine could replace that production. Now I'm fine with the argument that Bennett brings value in other ways, which he does, but when people start referring to his skill and use evidence like 258th in scoring, I have a hard time following.

It screams "NHL-level scoring" to me. Like I said, there are 372 forward slots in the NHL. Bennett is comfortably in the top 372 scorers in the world, so he's an NHL level scorer. For reference, Alan Quine would rank 360th on the same list if he'd played enough minutes.

I'm not trying to argue he's a superstar, here. I just take issue with hyperbole like calling him "AHL-level", or suggesting he could easily be replaced by players that are clearly, provably worse than him.

[Monahammer]

I hope we send benny to stockton for 2 games for conditioning. It would be the first time hes played in the ahl and could spark some offensive confidence. I think some new confidence would go a long way.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

It screams "NHL-level scoring" to me. Like I said, there are 372 forward slots in the NHL. Bennett is comfortably in the top 372 scorers in the world, so he's an NHL level scorer. For reference, Alan Quine would rank 360th on the same list if he'd played enough minutes.

I'm not trying to argue he's a superstar, here. I just take issue with hyperbole like calling him "AHL-level", or suggesting he could easily be replaced by players that are clearly, provably worse than him.

Sure but go back to what I posted. I was pretty clear that I wasn't calling Bennett and AHL player, but that his scoring skill and production is AHL level, or maybe better described as replacement level. The post I quoted was praising his skill, which I take to mean as offensive skill.

So is every NHL forward a skilled player? Sure, compared to me. But compared to an average NHL forward, which should at minimum be the criteria, he is not a high skilled guy IMO. Again, he brings other things to the table.

If Quine had his games played and ice time, would he be able to match Bennett's 3 goals and 2 assists? We know he couldn't be much worse.

[Flamenspiel]

I think people would be surprised at what the Flames could get for Bennett at the deadline. He is still ranked fairly high in the 2014 redraft. Personally I like the player, unfortunately he was passed by about a dozen or so players in his draft class. There is absolutely nothing AHL about him.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

his scoring skill and production is AHL level

I'm curious how you define "scoring skill and production". Bennet makes the puck go into the other team's net at the 258th highest rate in the NHL. Which means he's a better scorer than 124 other NHLers, putting him clearly at an NHL level. If you compare every NHLer to the average NHLer, roughly half of them will be below that, but it doesn't mean they aren't NHLers.

If Bennett doesn't have NHL-level scoring skill, what is he doing that allows him to score at an NHL level?

[Dienasty]

Kovaz and Strangebrew
I think you guys are arguing semantics here.

Strange Brew used a hyperbole saying he was an AHL scorer. But your "proof" showed he was a below average NHL scorer. Not sure we need to go back and forth anymore.

Let's just say we should be very disappointed with the offense he has provided after being drafted 4th overall and a very promising first season, followed by regression.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Spin it anyway you want, but the guy has 5 points in the NHL this year.

You know who else has 5 points? Filip Chlapik. Want to guess which league he's playing in right now?

[GioforPM]

Yeah, to be clear, I think Bennett is an NHLer. But plenty of AHLers score in the NHL.