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Old 10-11-2022, 03:22 PM   #8601
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Why would Elon Musk speak directly to Ian Bremmer and why would he admit in that chat that he talked to Putin and siding with him?

While obviously Elon Musk has been quite unhinged, Bremmer has a checkered history with allegations.

If the allegations are true, US government needs to step in.
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Old 10-11-2022, 03:32 PM   #8602
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Musk just responded and said "Nobody should trust Bremmer."
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Why would Elon Musk speak directly to Ian Bremmer and why would he admit in that chat that he talked to Putin and siding with him?

While obviously Elon Musk has been quite unhinged, Bremmer has a checkered history with allegations.

If the allegations are true, US government needs to step in.
Are you seriously asking these questions? Ian Bremmer (and the Eurasia group) have the ears of many top, global companies. Of course they would talk, and it should not surprise anyone that Musk bragged about it.
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Old 10-11-2022, 04:20 PM   #8604
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Putin at the top of my list of people I hope we never hear from again.

Musk also on the list. Probably in the top 25.

Kanye around 3 or 4 right now.....
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I suspect you are right on the end point but I don't think Russia would accept it now. They control the vast majority of that region now so why give it up unless the population gets annoyed with the war.
Which is a valid question. How far will Putin go until he realizes he is really losing?

I suspect we are not there yet.

60,000 deaths might seem like a lot in the western world, however it is barely a blip in Russia. The economic & military losses are a much bigger deal, and even there one really does wonder where the line is.
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Old 10-11-2022, 05:26 PM   #8606
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I don't see Russia giving up control of Crimea. If there was anything that would lead to them using tactical nuclear weapons, it's probably that. And really, even pre-2014 there wasn't a whole lot of support there for the status quo, so I'm not sure it's really worth the downside risk to try to re-take control of a region that was already pretty iffy on remaining part of Ukraine.

If there is a negotiated settlement, I think it'll probably look something like this:

-status quo on Crimea (Ukraine doesn't recognize Russia's occupation, but doesn't demand it back as part of negotiations)
-large measure of autonomy/independence for the Donbas region, but the area is not absorbed into Russia.
-other occupied areas are returned to Ukraine
-Ukraine pledges to not join NATO and/or host NATO forces/bases
-Ukraine is free to join the EU
-strong security guarantees for Ukraine from NATO
-some sanctions on Russia removed (though I doubt all would be).

People may view that as a failure, but I don't really see any other way out that doesn't either mean a significant risk of escalation or a protracted, years-long conflict with potentially hundreds of thousands of deaths. Now obviously Russia has to be willing to negotiate, so if they're not, they're not. But I do think there's a real lack of emphasis from NATO being placed on the importance of diplomacy.

And as for encouraging Russia to do the same later or appeasing them, I don't see Russia being able to rebuild its military during peacetime at remotely the same pace that NATO-supported countries can. If Ukraine had a period of peace, they could fully transition their forces to NATO weapons and get some of the things that the US has been hesitant to supply during an active conflict (ATACMS, F-16s, tanks, etc.). Meanwhile Russia will be incapable of even replacing what they've lost, never mind strengthening their forces.

That’s a pretty unpalatable settlement - at least add $T in reparations or whatever the final total is.
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Kanye around 3 or 4 right now.....
Not sure if you saw the clips they removed from his interview with Tucker Carlson... That might change your ranking.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad7...-fake-children
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Not sure if you saw the clips they removed from his interview with Tucker Carlson... That might change your ranking.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad7...-fake-children
Tucker Carlson and Kanye is an interview where any sane person with a conscience would have welded the doors shut from the outside and just hung around until the sounds stopped.

Missed opportunity.
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Donetsk's Putin installed "governor" says they will be committing genocide by killing all Ukrainians who refused to join Russia and his cause. I don't understand how the pro-Z types can watch this and not think "are we the baddies"?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1579820810751324160
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Donetsk's Putin installed "governor" says they will be committing genocide by killing all Ukrainians who refused to join Russia and his cause. I don't understand how the pro-Z types can watch this and not think "are we the baddies"?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1579820810751324160
^can't be much clearer about intentions now... not even bothering called them "Nazis" anymore...
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I take it Pavel was one of the guys going door-to-door with the voting ballots
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Old 10-12-2022, 07:26 AM   #8612
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The first of four ultramodern air defense systems from Germany has been delivered to Ukraine, the Ukrainian defense minister said — a system valued at 140 million euros ($136 million) that even Germany’s armed forces do not own.

The delivery had been promised for November, but after Russia on Monday launched its biggest aerial assault against targets across Ukraine in months, Germany’s defense minister promised to have it ready sooner.

The system, known as Iris-T SLM, had earlier been promised to Egypt, but Cairo agreed to let Kyiv skip the line. It is designed to protect population centers and other large areas from, aircraft, missile, rocket and drone attacks.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10...lin-doesnt-own

Thats an interesting turn of events for Germany.
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This was interesting. The insect world appears to have chosen a side in the war. Allegedly, the bees disabled a booby trap set up by the Russians for an unsuspecting civilian. Their honey prevented the trigger mechanism from setting off the bomb.

The Russians are even more screwed than we all understood.

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Donetsk's Putin installed "governor" says they will be committing genocide by killing all Ukrainians who refused to join Russia and his cause. I don't understand how the pro-Z types can watch this and not think "are we the baddies"?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1579820810751324160
One of the good things about the ubiquity of media and social media in this war is that it will be so much harder for any guys like this to avoid consequences later if they survive to the end.
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I'm no strategist, but I think that bridge was important.
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Hopefully some of those trucks also have bombs in them.
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Old 10-12-2022, 01:43 PM   #8617
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So a month after I made the post below I have finally worked through some details on this. I've had a number of CPers reach out to me about wanting to help here, which I deeply appreciate. Viktor and Inna (the people we stayed with) are still living with the host family (along with all their descendants) so they don't have much room for additional 'stuff' until they are able to get at least one place of their own. They got connected with a church in the south that has been providing most of the things they need. The biggest thing that they do still have a need for is at least one reliable vehicle. They are all trying to get jobs, etc, and the place they are staying is suburban enough that a reliable car is a pre-condition for that.

I've started a gofundme for them to raise money for a used vehicle/insurance (which is expensive with no Canadian driving history). It can be found here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/viktor-and-irena?

I feel bad that it took this long, but it was quite a process - they needed a Canadian bank account, and gofundme has an elevated approval process for fundraisers using the word Ukraine in them right now for obvious reasons.

I do want to speak to that as well. I recognize that gofundme has been controversial on CP and that there have been issues in the past. If the mods won't allow this I will absolutely take it down with my apologies. That said, I really do believe this is an excellent cause. These are wonderful, kind, generous people who are starting over late in life through no fault of their own, and could use a hand up. I'm not personally benefiting in any way, shape, or form, and to be honest had to be encouraged to share this with you all as I'm uncomfortable asking the community for things. I've had literally thousands of posts over the last 14 years I've been on CP and don't believe I've ever asked the community for anything, but I would appreciate any support you could give for this. Whether monetarily, sharing the link, anything is appreciated!


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I had the most amazing experience today and this seems like the place to share it.

Some of you know that when I was a teenager both my (now) wife and myself took a summer volunteer trip to Ukraine. We were mostly working with kids in a rural area, and it absolutely rips me apart that the 3-5 year olds I spent the summer reading to and playing games with are now almost certainly all engaged in a brutal war for survival. I'm often on CP late at night now because I can't sleep thinking about it.

A bunch of us were billeted with an amazing family in this little village. They took care of us, fed us, and were just wonderful hosts. Today, my wife got a whats app message (kind of a friend-of-a-friend thing) that someone was looking for winter clothing for some Ukrainian refugees who have kids a bit younger than ours, and did we have any extras/hand-me-downs that would suit. As the conversation progressed, she found out some information about the family.

It turns out that the family who billeted us in Ukraine ~20 years ago has fled the country. The parents, their two children, the children's spouses, and the grandchildren are all living temporarily with a family IN CALGARY. I have no idea what the odds of this are, it seems astronomical to me. Obviously we'll be doing the winter clothes and more, and we haven't made it down to see them yet as we just found out today. I'm sort of in shock and am a bit unsure of exactly what to do next, but had to share it somewhere and this thread seemed like a reasonable place.
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Old 10-12-2022, 02:20 PM   #8618
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https://www.reuters.com/world/kremli...ne-2022-10-11/

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...is-2022-10-12/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...st-2022-10-12/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...in-2022-10-12/

https://www.reuters.com/world/kremli...ic-2022-10-12/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2022-10-12/

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ts-2022-10-11/

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Some of the headlines. This is just in the past 24 hours alone.

So...a few notable mainstream media outlets has been parroting Kremlin propaganda since the start of the war, but none have been as blatant as Reuters.

Does some media not care about journalistic integrity or it is simply about getting clicks? If someone said it and it's being reported on, that makes it ok even if it's a complete lie? Feels like absolutely shoddy and lazy journalism.
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I'm no strategist, but I think that bridge was important.
But the Kremlin said the bridge was operational within 24 hours and damage was superficial. They even released videos of a train rolling at night and cars passing through

Also the FSB has revealed an x-ray that is definite proof of the bombs (yes that same 'inspection' that was posted within hours of the posting.

Turn out it's not even the same truck but who cares when propaganda is the name of the game (fun thread read to see the absurdity level)?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1580088362991759360

https://twitter.com/user/status/1580262767507881986

By the way that 'intact' road section sure looks a little warpy.

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"Quick! Someone's trying to blow the bridge with some sort of explosives! Sergei, fire grenades at them!"
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