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madmike · 03-25-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by clancy

I don't think Sven has shown he can produce in the NHL. He had a good week a couple of years ago.

His offensive production for a rookie this year was decent - even without taking into consideration he was often benched, or playing on the 4th line.

The issue is he didn't do much of anything defensively, or look like he really wanted to.

nemanja2306 · 03-25-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by madmike

His offensive production for a rookie this year was decent - even without taking into consideration he was often benched, or playing on the 4th line.

The issue is he didn't do much of anything defensively, or look like he really wanted to.

And that's why he's in the AHL. If we were the Oilers, he'd be playing top 6 minuts, puting up decent points but being a wreck defensively.

I like Granlund, but calling him a better prospect than Sven is ludicrous. Take a look at a guy like Strome. Drafted 5th overall, yet got called up to the NHL just a few months ago.

It's not a disaster Sven is still in the AHL, and I find it hilarious that people are wring off a 21 year old prospect as a bust.

Rerun · 03-25-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nemanja2306

How is he? Sven has shown he can produce in the NHL, Granlund has not. Sven was sent down to work on his defensive game. Talent and potential wise, Sven is miles ahead of Granlund, and looking strictly at offense, is NHL ready. However, other aspects of his game are lacking, hence why he's in the AHL.

However, Granlund's overall game, without the puck, is currently at a higher level. Also, Sven seems kind of weak mentally to me. Maybe it's just me, but that's the impression I get.

Granlund might be more ready for the NHL NOW, but Sven has the potential to be a much, much better player than Granlund. And IMO, is a much better prospect.

On paper, perhaps Sven is the better prospect. But attitude comes into play also and Sven didn't do himself a lot of good with his attitude during pre-season, sometimes during the season, and when he got sent to Abby.

Its tough to shake the label of "whiner", deserved or not. Just ask Wayne.

nik- · 03-25-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

On paper, perhaps Sven is the better prospect. But attitude comes into play also and Sven didn't do himself a lot of good with his attitude during pre-season, sometimes during the season, and when he got sent to Abby.

Its tough to shake the label of "whiner", deserved or not. Just ask Wayne.

Oh for the love of ####ing god. This again?

Rerun · 03-25-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Oh for the love of ####ing god. This again?

I take it all back. The gospel according to nik is that Sven didn't pout and has never pouted.

sun · 03-25-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

On paper, perhaps Sven is the better prospect. But attitude comes into play also and Sven didn't do himself a lot of good with his attitude during pre-season, sometimes during the season, and when he got sent to Abby.

Its tough to shake the label of "whiner", deserved or not. Just ask Wayne.

It's certainly tough to shake the reputation when posters on this site trot out this completely unfounded and erroneous assessment of his character at every opportunity. Ridiculous.

Rerun · 03-25-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sun

It's certainly tough to shake the reputation when posters on this site trot out this completely unfounded and erroneous assessment of his character at every opportunity. Ridiculous.

Hey, when you get a reputation (deserved or undeserved), its tough to shake. CP poster's aren't the only ones saying this about Sven.

Frankly the only person's opinion that matters with regards to Sven, is Burke's and I doubt he give a flying crap about what some CP posters or anyone else who doesn't work for him, thinks.
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nemanja2306 · 03-25-2014, 04:47 PM

Can someone who's a Heat fan, who watches a lot their games, comments on his play? Burke sent him down because he needed to learn how to play in all three zones. Are there any improvements in that sense?

We know he has NHL level skill, the point production in the Heat isn't that concerning to me IF he's learning how to become a better overall player.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sun

It's certainly tough to shake the reputation when posters on this site trot out this completely unfounded and erroneous assessment of his character at every opportunity. Ridiculous.

Management has said the exact same things as said by posters on this board. Get over it.

nik- · 03-25-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Management has said the exact same things as said by posters on this board. Get over it.

Except they didn't.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-25-2014, 05:15 PM

Except they did.

nik- · 03-25-2014, 05:24 PM

Then show us, and not some vague comment about his disappointment or how he thought he didn't need to attend the prospect camp. Show us management commenting on his attitude being poor.

Just show it.

ignite09 · 03-25-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Management has said the exact same things as said by posters on this board. Get over it.

BS. Bring up some quotes where anyone within the organisation has said he's a whiner, or arrogant in any way.

Rerun · 03-25-2014, 05:28 PM

Sometimes actions speak louder than words?

nik- · 03-25-2014, 05:29 PM

So get on some management comment action and not just your opinion words.

ignite09 · 03-25-2014, 05:31 PM

Again BS. You could just as easily come to the conclusion that he lacks confidence, and buckled under the pressure put on him by everyone from Feaster to fans.

MrMastodonFarm · 03-25-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sun

It's certainly tough to shake the reputation when posters on this site trot out this completely unfounded and erroneous assessment of his character at every opportunity. Ridiculous.

It was pretty funny watching this site after Burke made those comments towards Sven during that media scrum in the middle of training camp. You never heard one word about Sven sulking/playing poorly/having an attitude. After it though? It was trotted out non-stop. Never have I seen such a sheep like reaction on this forum then that moment.

sun · 03-25-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Management has said the exact same things as said by posters on this board. Get over it.

[citation needed]

sun · 03-25-2014, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It was pretty funny watching this site after Burke made those comments towards Sven during that media scrum in the middle of training camp. You never heard one word about Sven sulking/playing poorly/having an attitude. After it though? It was trotted out non-stop. Never have I seen such a sheep like reaction on this forum then that moment.

Yep, before that useless (IMO) callout, all we ever heard was how committed he was, great character, hard worker, etc.

FlameZilla · 03-25-2014, 06:40 PM

Before he was GM Burke essentially said Sven wasn't playing physically enough for his tastes, and that he needed to play a 200-foot game. Better in his own zone, etc. There was no condemnation of his attitude, just an honest appraisal of what he saw in the player who was at the time our top prospect. At the time I think this was Burke posturing against Feaster & Co. but CP read into it a bit too much and decided this message, through the media to Sven, must be a motivational tool.

It just so happened at the time that Sven was making a lot of bad plays in the offensive zone as well. He was gripping his stick a bit hard. Seemed to have lost his mojo. 4th line minutes ensued. CP uproar. 'How is he supposed to get his mojo back on a line with Brian McGrattan?!!'

I think some posters, including myself, observed that he seemed to be putting a lot of pressure on himself – way too much pressure. In interviews he seemed to be a bit down and didn't have the innate confidence that he had when he first turned pro. Nothing was working for him in the offensive zone. He was giving the puck away a lot in his very limited minutes. Healthy scratching ensued. CP: 'Scratch Sven? Hartley's an idiot!!!'

Once Feaster was fired, Burke almost immediately demoted Sven to the Heat. I think, given his struggles at the time it was a fair move. Time in Abbotsford to get his mojo back made an awful lot of sense. CP: 'Burke must really hate Sven!'

This CP idea of the pouty, poor attitude of Sven Baertschi has evolved over the course of the season out of absolutely nothing. The player was sent to the AHL to learn how to improve his game. It's not like he doesn't want to be a complete player; he's young and hasn't learned how to in the NHL yet. If the player is disappointed in the demotion it wasn't because of some sense of entitlement; Sven has very high expectations of himself and he was obviously disappointed in himself. These are all natural reactions for a young professional who has yet to live up to the promise that is expected of him.

He seems to have turned his game around in the AHL, stats-wise at least, in the last month or so. Ward has praised his attitude. I don't think we'll see him in Calgary again this season, but when he turns up to camp next year he is going to be motivated ten-fold by these experiences.