The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[wired]

Who knows what's going to happen. Here's hoping that they can come to an agreement that works for both parties.
Maybe a team friendly first year, and significantly higher in yrs 2 and after?
yr1: $6m
yr2:$9m
yr3:$9m
yr4:$9m
yr5:$9m
42m for a 5 yr deal, with maybe a few milestone bonuses included?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If you have it handy how does this compare to Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm and Gio?

You have a very bad habit of not being able to recognize and deal with people proving you wrong. It happens over and over again and you always try to change the topic or move the goalposts. What a joke you are

[krazycanuck]

Originally Posted by wired

Who knows what's going to happen. Here's hoping that they can come to an agreement that works for both parties.
Maybe a team friendly first year, and significantly higher is yrs 2 and after?
yr1: $6m
yr2:$9m
yr3:$9m
yr4:$9m
yr5:$9m

Team friendly first year wouldn't help the cap number at all. Would have to be separate contracts or a "handshake agreement" that next year we would sign him for a higher AAV.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If Tkachuk holds out I wouldn't fault him one bit. The Flames what I suspect are offering 7m max. He is worth more and the Flames have the weak strategy do us a solid we can only can offer 7m because we have to sign Mangi for 800k.

The Flames know damn well Tkachuk is worth 8.5m in this current ridiculous NHL market.
If Tkachuk holds out it's the Flames who have created that situation by not getting Tkachuk done and making the necessary moves to allow that.
All Tkachuk did was exactly what the team wanted play hard, become a leader, put up points and become a very popular young player amongst Flames fans.

If Aho is worth 8.5...Chucky is worth less..how much less??? Somewhere above Timo Meier and somewhere below Aho. This is the $2.5M space they are negotiating in.

You speaking uncertainties dosen't make it anymore true. Also you have disregarded term which is a critical part of this conversation.

6.75 x 3 because he is worth less to the team than Gio and Gaudreau
+8x2 because he is worth less than Aho
+8.5 x2 because there is growth
= 7.61 AAV for 7 years.

I would love to hear the arguement on comparables until Ratannen and Connor sign that makes the above unfair.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If Tkachuk holds out I wouldn't fault him one bit. The Flames what I suspect are offering 7m max. He is worth more and the Flames have the weak strategy do us a solid we can only can offer 7m because we have to sign Mangi for 800k.

The Flames know damn well Tkachuk is worth 8.5m in this current ridiculous NHL market.
If Tkachuk holds out it's the Flames who have created that situation by not getting Tkachuk done and making the necessary moves to allow that.
All Tkachuk did was exactly what the team wanted play hard, become a leader, put up points and become a very popular young player amongst Flames fans.

You are outraged at the organization for a completely made up scenario.
I have no issue with speculating on what may be the offers on either side - but I find it interesting when people decide that they know what has happened, and then start blaming one side, when in reality we have little to know insight on what has been offered on either side.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are outraged at the organization for a completely made up scenario.
I have no issue with speculating on what may be the offers on either side - but I find it interesting when people decide that they know what has happened, and then start blaming one side, when in reality we have little to know insight on what has been offered on either side.

I am not assuming I know what the team is thinking or how negotiations are going as a fact. It's my opinion mine alone.
Why is that so hard to grasp that people have various opinions.

Man look in the mirror the Flames have painted themselves in a corner with Tkachuk.They were aware on garbage bag day what the task at hand would be for the offseason.

Said it before and stand by it Tkachuk has done everything they asked and more. Exceeded all expectations now pay the kid what he is worth not what they they have "budgeted".

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I am not assuming I know what the team is thinking or how negotiations are going as a fact. It's my opinion mine alone.
Why is that so hard to grasp that people have various opinions.

Man look in the mirror the Flames have painted themselves in a corner with Tkachuk.They were aware on garbage bag day what the task at hand would be for the offseason.

Said it before and stand by it Tkachuk has done everything they asked and more. Exceeded all expectations now pay the kid what he is worth not what they they have "budgeted".

So...whats he "worth"?

And how do you know the Flames havent offered that?

[united]

On the most recent episode of 31 Thoughts: The Pocast, Elliotte Friedman indicates that the Flames have already told Tkachuk they acknowledge he will become their highest-paid player, the question is how much higher than Gio/Gaudreau.


That implies no Gio cap in case that was ever in question for anyone.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No doubt. If that was the best Flames were prepared to do, he would have negotiated an offer sheet by now.

Who exactly is writing up an offer sheet for him? Doing it to mess with the Flames?

Trouba demanded to be traded from the Jets. He put in another 3 years after that playing for them at a high level.... because that is the rules in the collective bargaining agreement.

If teams wouldn't mess with the Jets why do you think they would mess with the Flames?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AC

LOL.

Tying goal with the goalie pulled vs WSH

Tying goal with the goalie pulled @ BUF

Primary assist on tying goal with the goalie pulled vs PHI

Tying goal late @ PHI

Primary assist on OT goal @ PHI

3rd period go-ahead goal vs FLA

3rd period go-ahead goal vs BUF

Yeah, good call.

I just wanted to stop and say: AC I frickin' love you. Nothing like rebuking a stupid argument with video evidence. You are a goddam treasure.

Also, Philly must ####ing hate Tkachuk.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I just wanted to stop and say: AC I frickin' love you. Nothing like rebuking a stupid argument with video evidence. You are a goddam treasure.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Who exactly is writing up an offer sheet for him? Doing it to mess with the Flames?

Trouba demanded to be traded from the Jets. He put in another 3 years after that playing for them at a high level.... because that is the rules in the collective bargaining agreement.

If teams wouldn't mess with the Jets why do you think they would mess with the Flames?

Uhhh...you dont offer sheet a guy to "mess" with the other team, you make an offer because you want that player at the price you are offering.

Its entirely possible that MT has been offer sheeted but he doesnt want to sign it in case the Flames dont match.

Way way to many in here assuming they know whats been happening....you dont. The only people who know where they are at and what the stumbling blocks are the management team and the player and his group.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tkflames

If Aho is worth 8.5...Chucky is worth less..how much less??? Somewhere above Timo Meier and somewhere below Aho. This is the $2.5M space they are negotiating in.

You speaking uncertainties dosen't make it anymore true. Also you have disregarded term which is a critical part of this conversation.

6.75 x 3 because he is worth less to the team than Gio and Gaudreau
+8x2 because he is worth less than Aho
+8.5 x2 because there is growth
= 7.61 AAV for 7 years.

I would love to hear the arguement on comparables until Ratannen and Connor sign that makes the above unfair.

The best argument is that he simply won't sign that contract ($7.61M for 7 years).

You start by suggesting that for the next 3 years he shouldn't get more than Gio etc. You may as well end the discussion right there, what they signed for years back is no longer relevant.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Who exactly is writing up an offer sheet for him? Doing it to mess with the Flames?

Trouba demanded to be traded from the Jets. He put in another 3 years after that playing for them at a high level.... because that is the rules in the collective bargaining agreement.

If teams wouldn't mess with the Jets why do you think they would mess with the Flames?

If the Flames only thought Tkachuk was worth $5 million and weren’t prepared to pay him more than that, then yes he would be offer sheeted or traded. I promise you his agent would have been negotiating with every other team in the league. At minimum, he would never play a game with the Flames again.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The best argument is that he simply won't sign that contract ($7.61M for 7 years).

You start by suggesting that for the next 3 years he shouldn't get more than Gio etc. You may as well end the discussion right there, what they signed for years back is no longer relevant.

How do you know that? Are you a reincarnation of gaudreauvertime?? In my opinion Chucky is not worth $8M yet...which is as much an opinion as your bold statements. Clearly the flsmes (and every other team not named Montreal/Toronto/Edmonton) agree, else the deal would be done.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by rhino

Not quite sure what you were watching last season but I am pretty sure #19 was on the ice late in games if down by a goal or protecting a lead.

Down a goal I would go along with. Protecting a lead? The 2 seconds/ game on the PK says that he was not trusted in the defense shut-down roll.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So...whats he "worth"?

And how do you know the Flames havent offered that?

Based on the current market 8.5m per 7 years is what "I" think he is worth.
Nobody outside the Flames and Tkachuk's camp know if the Flames have offered him that so anyone is just wrong assuming they have as much as they are to assume they have not.

What do I selfishly as a Flames fan hope he would sign for a home town discount 7m 7 years.

My guess 7.5 average 7yr gets it done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Based on the current market 8.5m per 7 years is what "I" think he is worth.
Nobody outside the Flames and Tkachuk's camp know if the Flames have offered him that so anyone is just wrong assuming they have as much as they are to assume they have not.

What do I selfishly as a Flames fan hope he would sign for a home town discount 7m 7 years.

My guess 7.5 7m gets it done.

What market/. What comparable are you looking at?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What market/. What comparable are you looking at?

Are you even being serious...

[18YrOldSamBennett]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Are you even being serious...

I dont see how you think he will sign for a year longer than marner at 3mil less per season.

I want to hear your rationale on this?

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