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Old 04-07-2021, 08:32 PM   #2721
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My 30ish brother and his wife qualify next week in Ontario. No conditions, but apparently they're going by postal code there, and they live in a high risk area.
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Old 04-07-2021, 08:50 PM   #2722
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Top doctor predicts all Sask. people 18 and over could get 1st COVID vaccine dose by mid-May

I wonder if Alberta will be in the same boat:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...icts-1.5978364
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:29 PM   #2723
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Agreed. And I more meant the firefighters, doctors and nurses that will be in 2B rather than a 30 year old (teacher I assume you mean) with asthma. Though that 30 year old with Asthma could well be a doctor or nurse too. I agree teachers should be behind those other professions where contact is more likely.

Edit. I guess you meant just a normal non front line person with asthma. If it's a person with severe asthma where if they get covid they'll likely be on a ventilator then they should absolutely get it before a healthy teacher.
Of course severe, even moderate should get priority. Really I just think they should be in the same group.

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You guys know that it's not just any asthma that is supposed to go in 2b right? It's only severe asthma that has required a hospital visit/hospitalization in the last year. Mild-moderate but controlled doesn't count.
Of course. I'm kind of referring to the numerous stories of people who have asthma and were told to just go get it. Have many people been hospitalized in the past year with it,I would have to think it's a fairly low percentage of asthma sufferers?

I mean I don't even know if that's a good measurement. I'm sure there are tons of people with asthma who haven't been hospitalized who may not do well with covid. My real point is that even if I had asthma, I work from home and I could stay away easier than a doctor or nurse etc.

I guess really it's not that these professionals should prioritized over those in 2B it's that I think they should have been included in 2B.

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Old 04-07-2021, 09:33 PM   #2724
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Why firefighters? They have access to PPE and can space except when on calls on which they could be wearing PPE.

I think warehouses, assembly lines, meat packers and professions where we have seen mass outbreaks should be prioritized first. Doctors, Nurses and even teachers have access to better protocols and PPE to avoid exposure compared with other employees.

Low wage indoor blue collar who donít have savings or sick days.

White collar office workers should be last.

Has anyone seen data on infection based on occupation?
I was thinking more firefighters because of transmission within the occupation. If someone comes in to the firehouse with it and they are all together for days/nights at a time you're going to have many people forced off work to isolate. We can't have firefighters being consistent close contacts and being off work.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:40 PM   #2725
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Honestly. Needles in as many arms as possible is ok. If there is a 5-10% rate of people jumping queue I think that’s acceptable. Just get needles in arms as fast and safe as possible. Hopefully within a couple weeks 2 C opens up. Then 2D in early may. Everyone in June. I feel that new groups will open up quick now that supply is less of an issue.
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I was thinking more firefighters because of transmission within the occupation. If someone comes in to the firehouse with it and they are all together for days/nights at a time you're going to have many people forced off work to isolate. We can't have firefighters being consistent close contacts and being off work.
They are doing 24h shifts now to avoid extra contact among shifts.
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I was thinking more firefighters because of transmission within the occupation. If someone comes in to the firehouse with it and they are all together for days/nights at a time you're going to have many people forced off work to isolate. We can't have firefighters being consistent close contacts and being off work.
Thatís also the case with things like control room operators at power plants, water and sewer treatment, natural gas supply.

The list of uniquely skilled people that society canít afford to lose that have to work around each other is huge.
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That’s also the case with things like control room operators at power plants, water and sewer treatment, natural gas supply.

The list of uniquely skilled people that society can’t afford to lose that have to work around each other is huge.
For sure, it's all so tricky, firefighters just pop into my head because of the reason I said, and the added rescue, first aid, component as well. I remember reading an article last year talking about how many days had been lost due to members isolating, but you may be right, it would be easier for them to isolate in their positions, since they have proper PPE, etc etc.

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Honestly. Needles in as many arms as possible is ok. If there is a 5-10% rate of people jumping queue I think that’s acceptable. Just get needles in arms as fast and safe as possible. Hopefully within a couple weeks 2 C opens up. Then 2D in early may. Everyone in June. I feel that new groups will open up quick now that supply is less of an issue.
Absolutely, I don't disagree with you, and I'm not trying to rank one group over another.

I just break down the time frame and that still means middle/end of May at best, before they have any level of protection, that's just very problematic for me with the new variant. My wife definitely doesn't get n95 masks for work so will a masked patient, and a masked physician, nurse, etc offer enough protection with this new variant? I haven't really seen much information about whether that will be adequate for someone in those positions going forward.

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Old 04-08-2021, 08:45 AM   #2729
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My buddy, 41, who lives down in Houston told me that he received his second vaccine yesterday.
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Canada just past the US today(National Post) in percentage of population that has COVID.

There goes that last straw of an argument that Canada is doing better.
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Canada just past the US today(National Post) in percentage of population that has COVID.

There goes that last straw of an argument that Canada is doing better.
Better in vaccine distribution? Never were close to them. Vaccines do incredible things, and have saved them from a lot of self inflicted death.

Better at managing Covid? Not even close.

Yesterday Michigan (pop. 9million) had over 6300 new Covid positive tests.

Ontario (pop. 15million) had 3200 yesterday and declared a state of emergency.
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:11 AM   #2732
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US has 1712 deaths per million vs 608 for Canada, so I'm still sticking to Canada handing this way better. But hey, nice talking point.
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Good to see Ontario and Quebec not just matching their numbers from yesterday, but increasing them a bit.
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Canada just past the US today(National Post) in percentage of population that has COVID.

There goes that last straw of an argument that Canada is doing better.

uh huh, sure.
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:50 AM   #2736
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Can the comparisons to the US vaccine program please stop? It is extremely obvious why the US is doing better than us - there is a limited amount of vaccine doses and the US has way more punching power than us (ie money) to ensure they get as many doses as possible. When others get more doses we get less doses.
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Old 04-08-2021, 09:51 AM   #2737
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My buddy, 41, who lives down in Houston told me that he received his second vaccine yesterday.
My Vegas casino host has called me about 20 times the last few months telling me the clinics are giving out vaccines like candy, and if I can get there he will get me vaccinated on arrival.

I didn't think I could pass that by the wife so I didn't act on it. Single Tron would be elbows deep on a craps table by now though.
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US has 1712 deaths per million vs 608 for Canada, so I'm still sticking to Canada handing this way better. But hey, nice talking point.
Let's not argue over the caliber of round with which we get shot in the face...........
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Let's not argue over the caliber of round with which we get shot in the face...........
The time to reflect on success or failure is pretty far away. For now, decisions need to be made on the best incomplete information and there's no agreement what that is. As it stands 23,000 people in this country died and more will. This will never be a point of pride
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Canada just past the US today(National Post) in percentage of population that has COVID.

There goes that last straw of an argument that Canada is doing better.
Can't you at least keep in your pants long enough until that actually happens instead of lying about what an article says?

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Canada on track to surpass U.S. in number of COVID cases relative to population

In a reversal of earlier pandemic trends, Canada is on the verge of matching ó perhaps surpassing ó the United States in the number of new COVID-19 cases relative to its population.

Updated data compiled from the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 dataset shows that the United States is adding roughly 196 new COVID-19 cases per one million people daily, and Canada, as of Tuesday, was adding 180 new cases per one million people daily. The data is based on a seven-day rolling average of daily new infections.
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