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Old 12-03-2022, 09:33 AM   #261
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They could scratch or waive Coleman right now. He is arguably more useless than anyone on line 4, except maybe Lewis. Lucic can hit (if he decides to try) and Ritchie is putting in a few. Coleman however hasnít really been doing anything. Not hitting, not skating / working, just generally nothing. He has a very large salary too so if he gets picked up on waivers itís honestly a win. There is zero doubt Phillips is a better option than Coleman. So he is the guy I would target. Maybe Rooney could be waived too.

Then if you must you put Phillips where Dube is and slide Dube to fill Colemanís spot.

Also wasnít Sutter the one who came in and said this is merit based? No one is entitled to play in the NHL?

Wow- sure doesnít look like it.
You honestly are walking out waiving Blake Coleman?

Do you want to have a pie in the sky discussion or an actual roster construction conversation? Prized free agent with cup rings and you're walking that out as a target?

One not a good look for attracting future free agents to a western Canadian hockey club.

But the guy is 4th on the team in xGA60 and doing exactly what the coach wants him to do. Would be great if he put up more points, but he's as advertised and doing exactly what the coach wants him doing.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:39 AM   #262
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Question is how much benefit do we see from having a 4th line of strong like bull, smart like truck guys in todays faster game vs a 4th line of young energy guys from the farm. 4th line gets hemmed in more often than not lately it seems, would Pelletier Ruzika Phillips be a better or worse option?
That's not enough ice time for the kids though .... or you make the lines relatively even and take ice time away from the top players.

Just doesn't make sense.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:40 AM   #263
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This is what living and dying with every game looks like. 23 games in and people are losing their minds. Phillips will get his shot, the team is performing to most people's expectations (until the season started and the once reasonable expectation that the team may take a while to gel became a rage inducing concept). They'll go on a heater soon, someone will get knicked up, and Phillips will get his shot without being called up to single handedly save the team's offense.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:40 AM   #264
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Coleman is brutal. What’s his GFx60? Is his sole job to keep the opposition from scoring? Maybe that’s part of the problem.

Yes I’m talking about walking him out because the team desperately needs to install some accountability for lazy play. I know you can’t stand these arguments but watch him float around again tonight, actually watch his shifts. His compete level is extremely dubious. If we are going anywhere we need all hands on deck and people working and if you aren’t working you should sit or get promoted/ demoted.

Sutter did this last year, and stopped doing it to the same extent this year, for reasons unknown. Meritocracy is a key thing and having the top AHL scorer toil away forever in the minors because he’s small is a horrendous message. Decisions by the coach on who to play should have zero to do with how many cups you have, if you signed as a free agent, who you are unless you’re basically elite like Huberdeau.

Coleman has been very lousy in a lot of games.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:45 AM   #265
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That's not enough ice time for the kids though .... or you make the lines relatively even and take ice time away from the top players.

Just doesn't make sense.

More than trying to reconstruct the roster or ship guys out I'm looking to add that spark and energy we seem to be missing right now.
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I just really hope that when Phillips does get his shot, that he performs well enough to become a permanent fixture on the roster. It would be a good sign to have a continued stream of forwards graduating from the A, and take less pressure off of using assets to acquire older players to temporarily address areas of lack.

Although with that said, even if Philipps does come in and is a good top 9 contributor, I hope Tre still makes a trade to bring in another top 6 forward to truly solidify the offensive potential of the roster. Ideally he would just be using the surplus in defenseman on the team to do that now, and doesn't trade any promising prospects or early round draft picks available to do so.
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:52 AM   #267
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Coleman is brutal. Whatís his GFx60? Is his sole job to keep the opposition from scoring? Maybe thatís part of the problem.

Yes Iím talking about walking him out because the team desperately needs to install some accountability for lazy play. I know you canít stand these arguments but watch him float around again tonight, actually watch his shifts. His compete level is extremely dubious. If we are going anywhere we need all hands on deck and people working and if you arenít working you should sit or get promoted/ demoted.

Sutter did this last year, and stopped doing it to the same extent this year, for reasons unknown. Meritocracy is a key thing and having the top AHL scorer toil away forever in the minors because heís small is a horrendous message. Decisions by the coach on who to play should have zero to do with how many cups you have, if you signed as a free agent, who you are unless youíre basically elite like Huberdeau.

Coleman has been very lousy in a lot of games.
He plays on a shut down line and .... wait for it ... he's shutting the opposition down.

"I know you can't stand these arguments"

Ones based in fantasy? No not a big fan!
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Old 12-03-2022, 09:53 AM   #268
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More than trying to reconstruct the roster or ship guys out I'm looking to add that spark and energy we seem to be missing right now.
For sure.

And I agreed above by saying I ALMOST wish for a minor injury to get him and see what they have.

Just trying to be practical about where he fits with a full lineup is all.
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Old 12-03-2022, 10:08 AM   #269
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Coleman is brutal. Whatís his GFx60? Is his sole job to keep the opposition from scoring? Maybe thatís part of the problem.

Yes Iím talking about walking him out because the team desperately needs to install some accountability for lazy play. I know you canít stand these arguments but watch him float around again tonight, actually watch his shifts. His compete level is extremely dubious. If we are going anywhere we need all hands on deck and people working and if you arenít working you should sit or get promoted/ demoted.

Sutter did this last year, and stopped doing it to the same extent this year, for reasons unknown. Meritocracy is a key thing and having the top AHL scorer toil away forever in the minors because heís small is a horrendous message. Decisions by the coach on who to play should have zero to do with how many cups you have, if you signed as a free agent, who you are unless youíre basically elite like Huberdeau.

Coleman has been very lousy in a lot of games.
Coleman might be the one guy with a motor all game. My only issue with is his reckless stick work and taking bad penalties at key points in games usually stick infractions.
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If only we had somebody on the NHL roster who needs players that can receive their passes at speed and break through the D. Clearly Phillips skill is useless at NHL level
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Throw Phillips in a trade for Boeser.
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^ would prefer not to

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Maybe he needs a second chance. He canít really skate at all but he can shoot the puck. Type of guy that can slow down the game for a team.
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Maybe he needs a second chance. He canít really skate at all but he can shoot the puck. Type of guy that can slow down the game for a team.
I would agree on the second chance bit but not for $6.65 million per year
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Just watched Sutter’s presser and he basically shot down any hope of Phillips being called up for the foreseeable future. Said there is a big gap between ahl and nhl and nothing has changed in three years… he was a bit snarky at the question… surprised he didn’t say “you’re asking the wrong guy” though which is a bit telling of who’s really in charge (it’s Sutter)
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Just watched Sutter’s presser and he basically shot down any hope of Phillips being called up for the foreseeable future. Said there is a big gap between ahl and nhl and nothing has changed in three years… he was a bit snarky at the question… surprised he didn’t say “you’re asking the wrong guy” though which is a bit telling of who’s really in charge (it’s Sutter)
I can’t remember a NHL coach taking a gratuitous shot at an asset of the organization playing in the minors before like that. Hopefully we start winning soon at the NHL level.
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I canít remember a NHL coach taking a gratuitous shot at an asset of the organization playing in the minors before like that. Hopefully we start winning soon at the NHL level.
As I said earlier ... honestly think the groundswell for Phillips is going to completely eliminate his being recalled not force it
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Maybe he needs a second chance. He can’t really skate at all but he can shoot the puck. Type of guy that can slow down the game for a team.
He’s like Toffoli and you don’t want two players like that on your roster.
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I canít remember a NHL coach taking a gratuitous shot at an asset of the organization playing in the minors before like that. Hopefully we start winning soon at the NHL level.
Once again, head coach of the Flames comes across totally unprofessional, brutal really. Pretty sure I am right on Vladar becoming the starter and hopefully I am right with Sutters tenure being over soon.
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I don't think it was an unprofessional response .. but him expressing his annoyance with the media questions about a decision not in his domain

obviously is not a big Phillips fan either for god knows what reason aside from stature

apparently there is an nhl way to lead a leauge in scoring and matthew isn't doing it

and clearly no chance a 106 point pace in the ahl converts to anything useful in the nhl
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