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View Poll Results: What role do humans play in contributing to climate change?
Humans are the primary contributor to climate change 385 64.27%
Humans contribute to climate change, but not the main cause 154 25.71%
Not sure 32 5.34%
Climate change is a hoax 28 4.67%
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Old 09-27-2019, 12:57 PM   #1181
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It's snowing late September. Global warming is a hoax.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:07 PM   #1182
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It's snowing late September. Global warming is a hoax.
In 2017 in the US, 10,000 cold temperature records were broken. In the same year, 30,000 warm temperature records were broken. Three times as many. Just because we have cold days, doesn't mean climate change is a hoax.

Also, warm air holds more water than cold air. If the temperature falls enough, that moisture ends up falling as snow. So some of these freak snowstorms we've seen over the last few years (especially on the east coast) are actually consistent with what the climate change models predict.

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Old 09-27-2019, 01:08 PM   #1183
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There's maybe 50 people on Stephen Ave right now.

"What do we want?"

"CLIMATE ACTION"

"When do we want it??"

"NOW!"

Sick, good job you guys. Remember to properly dispose your signs in the garbage when you go home to your warm house tonight.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:48 PM   #1184
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Sick, good job you guys. Remember to properly dispose your signs in the garbage when you go home to your warm house tonight.
Hey, that's a cynic in you speaking! Why can't you just enjoy the notion.

Here's little Greta enjoying her environmentally-sensitive low carbon footprint breakfast on a non-fossil-fueled train after telling Trudeau what to do now. Be happy for her.



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Old 09-27-2019, 01:49 PM   #1185
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I think thats a generally fair statement. However, one of the things predicted is an increase in severity and recurrence of these events. For instance, around half of the Atlantic hurricanes to have the lowest recorded pressure (linked to strength of hurricane) have occurred in the last 10-15 years. Something like that can be tied to warming waters in the Carribean and Gulf of Mexico which could be tied to global warming.
But some of that could also be attributed to greatly improved observation abilities with aircraft and satellites, allowing you track a hurricane through its entire life and take measurements at its most powerful part. In the first half of the 20th Century, all you had were ships (who were probably trying to get the hell away from the storm) and land observations, which may have missed peak strength.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf...MS-D-17-0184.1

The only reliable long-running data set, the number of landfalling hurricanes in the US doesn't show any real trend:


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Old 09-27-2019, 01:56 PM   #1186
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There's maybe 50 people on Stephen Ave right now.

"What do we want?"

"CLIMATE ACTION"

"When do we want it??"

"NOW!"

Sick, good job you guys. Remember to properly dispose your signs in the garbage when you go home to your warm house tonight.
Get ready you know the photoshops are coming...
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Old 09-27-2019, 02:35 PM   #1187
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There's maybe 50 people on Stephen Ave right now.

"What do we want?"

"CLIMATE ACTION"

"When do we want it??"

"NOW!"

Sick, good job you guys. Remember to properly dispose your signs in the garbage when you go home to your warm house tonight.
Do you have the same opinion of the convoy guys?
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Old 09-27-2019, 02:36 PM   #1189
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Definitely more than 50 people in Edmonton at the Legislature today. Way more.
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You don't actually know this for a fact and indeed I suspect that the vast majority of protesters make significant efforts in their personal lives to reduce waste and consumption of energy/emission of carbon, etc.
And all of that will have a net effect of ZERO on emissions and global warming.

It is pointless to walk around and say 'oh I stopped eating meat and I drive an electric car.' Completely irrelevant and meaningless.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:03 PM   #1191
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And all of that will have a net effect of ZERO on emissions and global warming.

It is pointless to walk around and say 'oh I stopped eating meat and I drive an electric car.' Completely irrelevant and meaningless.
Yeah, well, thats just, like, your opinion, man.
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Feels like this whole climate change is the new Y2K. So much alarmist handwringing with no practical solutions other than "Zero carbon now! Or we're all doomed! DOOOOMMED!!! Won't someone please think of the children!"
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Tons of people with signs walking past my office here in Vancouver. I'm sure there will be a large turnout here, as one would expect.
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As for the argument that little Greta trusts in the science behind climate change, it's a bit ironic that she's against the pipeline expansion. She'd rather believe in Hollywood shrills like DiCaprio who just go "tarsands! bad!", rather than actually read the research and see there's been continuous efforts to improve on emissions, while finding a more ecological way to transport oil by pipeline rather than through railcars. But hey, apparently rail (like the one she's riding on right there) run on pixie dust and unicorn magic.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:19 PM   #1195
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There's absolutely no reason to care at all what a sixteen year old thinks about the issue, regardless of whether she's for the TMX expansion or not.

This is, as I said in the Canadian politics thread, just the left wing version of Joe the Plumber. A completely irrelevant individual elevated to symbolic, cult figure status more or less by complete accident.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:22 PM   #1196
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Feels like this whole climate change is the new Y2K. So much alarmist handwringing with no practical solutions other than "Zero carbon now! Or we're all doomed! DOOOOMMED!!! Won't someone please think of the children!"

Yeah, pretty much exactly the same thing.
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:28 PM   #1197
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Hmm...with all of these people showing up to rallies and whatnot in support of...whatever day it supposedly is, maybe there is a practical way to harness their climate support energy to be used in a more meaningful capacity?

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Text conversation I just had with my ex-sister-in-law who is currently marching in Vancouver:

SiL: i'm at the climate strike. Thousands marching.

P&I: Are you chanting 'Build that pipe!'?

SiL: lol. Surprisingly not. Glad it's not raining. 'Life line not pipeline' (sign) I just saw.

P&I: Any signs that describe what's replacing oil?

SiL: Not yet.
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There's absolutely no reason to care at all what a sixteen year old thinks about the issue, regardless of whether she's for the TMX expansion or not.

This is, as I said in the Canadian politics thread, just the left wing version of Joe the Plumber. A completely irrelevant individual elevated to symbolic, cult figure status more or less by complete accident.
Im actually undecided what is worse on an individual level. Grown adults taking cues on climate change from a 16-year old girl, or grown adults openly mocking a 16-year old girl.

Both, to me, seem incredibly embarrassing. Shes 16.
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Do you have the same opinion of the convoy guys?
No.

You know why? Because even though both want attention drawn to a problem the convoy had this crazy thing called a solution, a solution that the Federal government in Ottawa has direct control over. The problem is the economic decay of their communities and the solution is the Federal government allowing pipeline projects to proceed and shelving their damaging legislation. Problem, solution, petitioning to those in charge of the solution. Pretty far cry from a bunch of people in a country responsible for 1.7% of the problem demanding...?? Don't you think?
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