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Old 09-21-2018, 06:58 PM   #721
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He is their best puck mover.

That may well be the case, but isn’t that damning with faint praise?

I have to say though, the greasers have the hype machine set to 11.

I wonder if there are enough rafters for all of the banners?
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Oh god please please please destroy another prospect because you have nothing in the pipeline.


Please Justin Schultz him.


The guy has good offensive instincts but he's clueless in his own end and he looks like an ankle skater.
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Lol the kids a defenceman but sucks at it and needs time to learn that position at the NHL level. Typical Oilers are going to throw him on the first pairing and give him 30 mins a game. ��
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Rattie should aim for what the preseason scoring leaders ended up at last year.

Jake Guentzel: 48 points
Conor Sheary: 30 points
Drew Stafford: 15 points
Kailer Yamamoto: 3 points

Rattie getting 30 points would actually be a decent result for him, but let’s be honest, he’s more likely to get Stafford’s output.
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Buddy works with Ty Rattie's Dad. Yup he lives in Airdrie and claims its 20mins from Downtown. Shows up at 930am on snow days and leaves at 330pm to beat traffic.
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He is their best puck mover.

That may well be the case, but isn’t that damning with faint praise?

I have to say though, the greasers have the hype machine set to 11.

I wonder if there are enough rafters for all of the banners?
He may be their best puck moving defenceman but thats more of an indictment of the organization than praise for the player.
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Nice to see the guy who just inked the largest deal in league history feel so strongly that everything is wrong for the players, and that a lockout is on everyone's mind:


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But it sounds like the players already have negotiations on their mind. Well, that seems to be the case with Connor McDavid.
“It’s already started,” the superstar told Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star with regards to talks about a lockout. “Everyone is talking about it amongst the players. I think you’ve got to feel that sense of a union. That’s the only way you get stuff done. I think the players are united.”

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/con...040905384.html
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Nice to see the guy who just inked the largest deal in league history feel so strongly that everything is wrong for the players, and that a lockout is on everyone's mind:





https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/con...040905384.html
He’s just hoping a lockout will burn a year of his contract.
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:05 PM   #729
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He’s just hoping a lockout will burn a year of his contract.
He's hoping it'll burn 6.
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Easy for McDavid to talk tough on the CBA. In 2020-21, he will get $12 million on July 1 and if the season is lost due to a lockout, he loses $1 million in salary.
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Nice to see the guy who just inked the largest deal in league history feel so strongly that everything is wrong for the players, and that a lockout is on everyone's mind:
How do you get that out of this quote?

“It’s already started,” Oilers captain Connor McDavid says. “Everyone is talking about it amongst the players. I think you’ve got to feel that sense of a union. That’s the only way you get stuff done. I think the players are united.

“I don’t think anyone wants a lockout. Everyone wants to play. I don’t think anyone wants to miss a season, or half a season. I think hockey has a bit of momentum and we don’t want to ruin that.”

He said the players are united and they don't want to miss any hockey. He pretty much said nothing.
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The person with the best contract is the poorest representation of how a union feels about it's up coming negotiations.

Not to mention that there is a media circus that follows that man. He can't really say anything but what people want to hear in that situation without getting crusifird.
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Easy for McDavid to talk tough on the CBA. In 2020-21, he will get $12 million on July 1 and if the season is lost due to a lockout, he loses $1 million in salary.
They should put him in charge of the NHLPA.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:47 AM   #734
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In a lockout...

McDavid gets $12M, 90% of the players get $0

McDavid: "we're all in this together!"

Other players: "great, so I can crash at your place, Connor?"
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In a lockout...

McDavid gets $12M, 90% of the players get $0

McDavid: "we're all in this together!"

Other players: "great, so I can crash at your place, Connor?"
He's just trying to be a good teammate.

It's in his own best interest to say, "We have it great lets just sign whatever the owners present to us."

Because Connor will get whatever he wants either way.

By doing things like signing for $12.5 instead of cap max, and stating that he is united with his brothers, he is sacrificing individual gain to insure plugs like Strome and Ryan get their $3 million dollars per season.

The NHL's top stars generally stand out in this way compared to other sports.
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By doing things like signing for $12.5 instead of cap max, and stating that he is united with his brothers, he is sacrificing individual gain to insure plugs like Strome and Ryan get their $3 million dollars per season.
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This isn't the place for this discussion, but it pains me that another stoppage is coming and the players are going to do it over the escrow which is needed in any 50/50 split arrangement.

Seems like they're just not informed on the topic.

Challenge some HRR classifications for sure, but escrow is a necessary evil whether it's held back and corrected or adjusted the next season.
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It's true. Just take a look at other leagues.

NFL doesn't even have a max salary. There is a guy making $37 million per season.

NBA has a max salary of 35% of the cap. The cap is set at $102 million.

There are like seven guys that are getting paid more than the cap max somehow.

MLB guys get astronomical numbers.

NHL has the highest minimum wage and the gap between the highest and lowest salaries is the smallest by far.

Their mean salary is trailing only basketball.

Hockey stars are definitely the least selfish out of the major sports. I don't see there being any debate here.
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This isn't the place for this discussion, but it pains me that another stoppage is coming and the players are going to do it over the escrow which is needed in any 50/50 split arrangement.

Seems like they're just not informed on the topic.

Challenge some HRR classifications for sure, but escrow is a necessary evil whether it's held back and corrected or adjusted the next season.
Here is an article I found with possible tweaks to escrow that may be coming:
https://www.nhlnumbers.com/2016/8/12...ern-in-the-nhl

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I suspect the 2019 CBA will seek to reduce or eliminate the cap escalator. The cap escalator creates an artificial increase to the salary cap limits without actually backing it up with increase HRR. This encourages salary inflation, especially as more and more teams are spending above the midpoint. And ultimately, this inflation only benefits players signing onto new deals while simultaneously reducing the effective salaries of everyone else in the league already under contract. Every year, the NHLPA should be about 80% against the cap escalator if they decide to vote out of personal benefit.

Lastly, I expect the salary cap limits calculations to change. If the league reduces the amount that the ceiling is over the current “Midpoint of the Salary Cap Range”, then escrow will be reduced and salaries on new contracts will be in line with a lower escrow world. I would personally maintain the relative size of the range, which would mean the Midpoint would instead become a “Set Point.” I figure making the limits 80% and 110% of the Set Point would be a step in the right direction. That change would likely drop escrow down by about a third.
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In a lockout...

McDavid gets $12M, 90% of the players get $0

McDavid: "we're all in this together!"

Other players: "great, so I can crash at your place, Connor?"
Other players: “thanks giving some leverage in the upcoming CBA talks to those of us who weren’t able to get lockout protection for that season in our individual contract negotiations....your team still sucks though”
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