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Old 09-19-2018, 04:50 PM   #1
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Default Ticketmaster helps scalpers be successful because "money"

MODS - feel free to move if this isn't considered relevant. Pretty borderline, but Ticketmaster does help sell Flames tickets...so probs relevant.

Fascinating article in the CBC/Toronto Star about how Ticketmaster is unethical with their secondary market platform

https://www.thestar.com/news/investi...-business.html

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Inside a Caesars Palace conference room filled with some of the world’s most successful ticket scalpers, a row of promotional booths pitch software programs that help harvest thousands of sport and concert seats to be resold online at hefty markups.

As gatekeeper to the entertainment industry’s most coveted events, Ticketmaster implements strict purchasing limits designed to prevent scalpers from using bots to buy tickets on a mass scale. “If we identify breaches of these limits … we reserve the right to cancel any such orders,” read Ticketmaster’s general terms and conditions. “Use of automated means to purchase tickets is strictly prohibited.”

But in one corner of the Las Vegas convention floor sat a conspicuous Ticketmaster booth welcoming scalpers with a solemn reassurance: Ticketmaster wants to share in the profits of the resale market by facilitating the mass scalping of its tickets — in direct violation of its own terms of use.

But ticket resellers who break those rules have no reason to be concerned, the sales executive reassured. A blind eye will be turned. “I have brokers that have literally a couple of hundred Ticketmaster accounts,” said a sales executive with Ticketmaster Resale speaking to the undercover reporters.

Richard Powers, associate professor at University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management, said “Helping to create a secondary market where purchasers are duped into paying higher prices, and securing themselves a second commission, should be illegal”.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:05 PM   #2
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A monopoly abusing its power? Not surprised.
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Professional scalpers are unethical and fraudulent. Ticketmaster is unethical and fraudulent. Stubhub is unethical and fraudulent. Water is wet.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:32 PM   #4
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I believe Ticketmaster also owns LiveNation, the largest promoter of concerts worldwide including U2, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

The DOJ needs to look into.

Btw for an interesting documentary on the above shows and the brains behind them (dude from Toronto originally) watch "Who the #$%^ is Arthur Fogel?" on HBO.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:32 PM   #5
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Why don't they just allow people to auction for tickets originally?
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:42 PM   #6
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A monopoly abusing its power? Not surprised.
Hey, whatever, man. If you don't like it why don't you start up your own ticket company and challenge them? Competition breeds success and the market regulates itself, you filthy commie.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:53 PM   #7
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I mean, I am not surprised at all given who we're talking about, but this is just about the shadiest thing I have ever seen. They've secretly created an entire platform to support blatantly anti-consumer practices just so they can secretly double dip on fees. How is that not against some kind of consumer protection law?
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Ticketmaster really screws over customers which I think is all the more reason to promote ticket sales on sites such as CP.

TLDR of the CBC link below:
  1. Ticketmaster doesn't list every seat when a sale begins.
  2. Hikes prices mid-sale.
  3. Collects fees twice on tickets scalped on its site.
"For example, Ticketmaster collected $25.75 on a $209.50 ticket on the initial sale. When the owner posted it for resale for $400 on Ticketmaster, the company stood to collect an additional $76 on the same ticket."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tic...mars-1.4826914
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How is stubhub unethical?
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How is stubhub unethical?
http://www.ampthemag.com/the-real/pa...llers-council/
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Do the flames also get a cut it I resell on Ticketmaster reseller platform?
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There is also a discussion on this on the off topic forum
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That Lavallee seems ######y. Tax dodge at the least.

But how is stubhub unethical here? They are providing a marketplace. It’s the same as Ebay (guess who owns stubhub). Providing a discount to high volume is fine. Honestly...it sucks overpaying for Tix. And no doubt there are people taking asvantage of the public. But stubhub is middleman. They don’t own inventory. If they know of illegal activity by buyers or sellers they better report it. But that article doesn’t point to unethical behavior that I see on a quick read of it.
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Do the flames also get a cut it I resell on Ticketmaster reseller platform?
The NHL Ticket Exchange charges a 10% fee to the buyer.
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So Amazon tried to get into the ticketing business recently, and a buddy of mine was on the dev team. Technically it wasn't hard, but the whole industry is so shady that Amazon ended up backing out. One example he gave was that frequently they would get a contract to sell X tickets. Once they sold those tickets, then the event would turn around and tell them that they could only deliver a portion of the promised tickets, so Amazon was left having to refund the rest.
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