09-19-2018, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer
I have been consistently confused as to where top line potential came from. In the year heading up to the draft it was billed as weak with top talent, but deep with the quality of players dropping off slowly. Most early draft previews I read had Bennett, Draisaitl, and Reinhart all listed as only having second line potential. From my perspective the exception from the draft is Draisaitl overcoming their skating issues and becoming more than a second liner.
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I don’t seem to recall that at all. I recall Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart, and Draisaitl being billed as “the big four” with a significant drop off after that. Bennett was ranked as high as #1 at points in the season. It’s not unrealistic to expect a top line player out of that. Nobody said they were the next Crosby or McDavid, but the Sam’s were definitely billed as potential stars.
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09-19-2018, 04:21 PM
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#22
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
I recall Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart, and Draisaitl being billed as “the big four” with a significant drop off after that.
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I wonder how often those scouts have a good laugh at one another...
William Nylander
Nikolaj Ehlers
Dylan Larkin
David Pastrnak
Brandon Montour
Brayden Point
Viktor Arvidsson
2014 NHL Entry Draft
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html
Last edited by David Struch; 09-19-2018 at 04:39 PM.
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09-19-2018, 04:27 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
I don’t seem to recall that at all. I recall Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart, and Draisaitl being billed as “the big four” with a significant drop off after that. Bennett was ranked as high as #1 at points in the season. It’s not unrealistic to expect a top line player out of that. Nobody said they were the next Crosby or McDavid, but the Sam’s were definitely billed as potential stars.
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Bennett ranked #1 by Central Scouting and Redline Report IIRC. All 4 were considered top line and top pairing potential.
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09-19-2018, 04:31 PM
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#24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer
I have been consistently confused as to where top line potential came from. In the year heading up to the draft it was billed as weak with top talent, but deep with the quality of players dropping off slowly. Most early draft previews I read had Bennett, Draisaitl, and Reinhart all listed as only having second line potential. From my perspective the exception from the draft is Draisaitl overcoming their skating issues and becoming more than a second liner.
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Yeah that is not how it went down...there was a consensus top four. Bennett #1 by CSS, hockey news ect. and constantly compared to Gilmour
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09-19-2018, 04:38 PM
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Lol @ you can't go wrong!
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09-19-2018, 04:48 PM
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#26
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#1 Goaltender
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wrong thread
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09-19-2018, 04:50 PM
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One thing for the Flames though its not like they picked Bennett over the other guys...they had the fourth pick. Any team in the league would have picked him there.
to say otherwise with the benefit of hindsight is BS
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09-19-2018, 04:53 PM
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#28
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Yeah, and even the next bunch doesn't look much better. Dal Colle, Virtanen and Fleury formed 5, 6 and 7.
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09-19-2018, 04:56 PM
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#29
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Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
One thing for the Flames though its not like they picked Bennett over the other guys...they had the fourth pick. Any team in the league would have picked him there.
to say otherwise with the benefit of hindsight is BS
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Lot of people mocked the Oilers for picking drai over him. Which got louder after the draft+1 season.
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09-19-2018, 06:18 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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I remember being ecstatic that we were going to get the chance to draft Bennett. I projected him as the best player of the draft outside of Ekblad. In hindsight damn would it be nice to have Drai or Reinhart.
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09-19-2018, 08:47 PM
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#31
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by David Struch
Lol @ you can't go wrong!
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Why? They still may all turn into impact NHLers.
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09-20-2018, 12:21 AM
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#32
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Why? They still may all turn into impact NHLers.
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Well it would have been clearly wrong drafting Bennett over any of those other three 'peers.'
And it was clearly wrong drafting him over the second tier, but still highly touted, players like Ehlers and Nylander.
Pastarnak, Larkin and Point, while would have been nice to have, just weren't at all on the radar.
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09-20-2018, 02:11 AM
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#33
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Originally Posted by David Struch
Lol @ you can't go wrong!
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Who was the poster that kept saying the Flames should draft Hayden Foeury at 4 because he was a “meat and potatoes “ kind of defenceman?
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09-20-2018, 05:27 AM
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#34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
I remember being ecstatic that we were going to get the chance to draft Bennett. I projected him as the best player of the draft outside of Ekblad. In hindsight damn would it be nice to have Drai or Reinhart.
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Hindsight sucks. I would take either now.
I want to believe Bennet will live to his potential. I do All I see is our Yakopov tho....
Compare there numbers and tell me why Im wrong? If Bennett does not improve this year he is done IMO . Numbers dont lie .
Nail
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=130572
Bennett
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=160252
Last edited by combustiblefuel; 09-20-2018 at 05:35 AM.
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09-20-2018, 07:22 AM
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#35
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
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I don't know. I think Bennett will likely be the flames version of RNH.
turns out to be a good player but not as good as pedigree indicated he might.
someone you like but are always slightly disappointed with.
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09-20-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
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You should look closer at those numbers and you’ll see one player with 3-5x the Hits, Blocks and Takeaways.
Neither player has come close to their offensive production expectations. But one of them can actually be effective in the league without scoring.
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09-20-2018, 09:33 AM
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#37
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
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Bennett isn't done. He was expected to be a #1 center. He won't be. Maybe he can turn it around and work himself onto the 2nd line, maybe he'll just be a good 3rd or 4th line player. He still does many things well he just hasn't found his offensive game yet. He's not done. He'll play for 10-14 years.
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09-20-2018, 12:00 PM
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#38
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
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Because they are completely different players.
Nail was boom/bust. Either a topline player or nothing because he didn't have anything else to his game
Sam will have a role in the NHL. You are telling me that he's going to be out of the league completely in the next couple of years?
Absurd.
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09-20-2018, 01:04 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
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The Sam Bennett as new whipping boy is getting out of hand here...
Crying shame how badly the flames have mismanaged Bennett
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09-20-2018, 01:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder
The Sam Bennett as new whipping boy is getting out of hand here...
Crying shame how badly the flames have mismanaged Bennett
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Maybe, but the player has the real responsibility to make the best of whatever situation he’s put into. I don’t think Bennett has done this.
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