Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2018 - Round 3

[Heavy Jack]

Dube for me; was absolutely clutch in WJC this year especially the gold medal game; Parsons was too but I feel like Dube will be in the show sooner than Parsons and could be an impact middle 6 winger. A lot more has to go right for Parsons who’s as good a goalie prospect as we’ve had IMO.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Mangiapane. Need to see Parsons play well in the AHL and Dube with some AHL time too to even have them ahead of Mangiapane and Kylington.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Really tough pick this time. In the end I went with upside as I think Parsons has the chance to be a star goalie and I’m not sure anybody else left has a higher upside. I’m not so worried about his 1st pro year as goalies often take years of pro development. Looks like Dube will take it and he’s a fine choice IMO

One question though guys, do we even own the rights to Karnaukhov and Rafikov anymore? I feel like they must be UFAs. Am I wrong?

I don't disagree with FDW often.... but when I do, it's over goalies!

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by loob job

Who keeps voting for Morgan Klimchuk?

You can click on an underlined number in the poll and see exactly who voted for each option.

[doctajones428]

Yeastmode

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That and being a 1st round pick.

Out of the 25 slots in the top 5 for the last 5 years collectively CP has identified 8 that we are sure will break 100 NHL games. 5 were 1st round picks. 4 never played 1 game in the AHL.

The other three we spotted were Granlund, Ferland and Gaudreau.

2013
1. Monahan
2. Baertschi
3. Gaudreau
4. Gillies
5. Jankowski
2014
1 Gaudreau
2. Bennett
3. Baertschi
4. Poirier
5. Granlund
2015
1. Sam Bennett
2. Emile Poirier
3. Jon Gillies
4. Micheal Ferland
5. Joni Ortio
2106
1 - Tkachuk
2 - Jankowski
3 - Gillies
4 - Kylington
5 - Hickey
2017
1. Jankowski
2. Parsons
3. Andersson
4. Valimaki
5. Kylington

Guys we missed... did not make the top-5 prospect list in any year but will get 100 NHL games: Hathaway, Bouma and Kulak.

There are only two "wrong choices on that list. Poirier and and Ortio ( granted Ortio wasnt a totalmiss, he played 37 games on the Flames and is putting up good numbers in the SHL). Time will tell with the other choices such Gillies and Hickey. That is pretty good I would say.

[Cheese]

Looks like Dube has this one cleanly
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...brQ/edit#gid=0

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That and being a 1st round pick.

Out of the 25 slots in the top 5 for the last 5 years collectively CP has identified 8 that we are sure will break 100 NHL games. 5 were 1st round picks. 4 never played 1 game in the AHL.

The other three we spotted were Granlund, Ferland and Gaudreau.

2013
1. Monahan
2. Baertschi
3. Gaudreau
4. Gillies
5. Jankowski
2014
1 Gaudreau
2. Bennett
3. Baertschi
4. Poirier
5. Granlund
2015
1. Sam Bennett
2. Emile Poirier
3. Jon Gillies
4. Micheal Ferland
5. Joni Ortio
2106
1 - Tkachuk
2 - Jankowski
3 - Gillies
4 - Kylington
5 - Hickey
2017
1. Jankowski
2. Parsons
3. Andersson
4. Valimaki
5. Kylington

Guys we missed... did not make the top-5 prospect list in any year but will get 100 NHL games: Hathaway, Bouma and Kulak.

Speaks to approach. If people are ranking on the basis of likelihood to play 100 NHL games it will naturally skew towards higher floor/lower ceiling guy.
If people consider upside as a big criteria there is bigger risk of bust.
For me upper end potential is really important. While not having a specific formula, in my head I'm considering it about 75/25 in terms of potential v. likelihood to reach.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Dube for me

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I don't disagree with FDW often.... but when I do, it's over goalies!

Yeah I was torn. I don't love rating the goalies high but we don't have a lot of bluechip prospects atm and arguably Parsons is one of the them even after his struggles in his rookie pro season.

I think any of Dube, Mangiapane, Foo, Kylington, Gillies or Parsons would be a fine choice at #3. I think you can argue for any of them

[TheScorpion]

Kinda surprised that Dube is going this high. I view him and Klimchuk very similarly.

[N-E-B]

Was really tough between Dube and Foo for me, but ended up going Dube. After those two I think it will be a tough call between Parsons and Mangiapane.

Sorry Scorp, I respect you sticking by your guy, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Klimchuk never played a game in the NHL again. Obviously I hope he can pull through but I just don’t see it with him.

[TheIronMaiden]

Those who watch a lot of Stockton games: which forwards were on their PK usually?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Those who watch a lot of Stockton games: which forwards were on their PK usually?

From what I remember, Klimchuk and Lomberg do a lot of it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kinda surprised that Dube is going this high. I view him and Klimchuk very similarly.

To be fair I think Klimchuk has a decent chance of playing some NHL games this season. However I'm not sure he'll ever be more than a 4th liner or perhaps 3rd liner. His upside is Frolik at best. Downside is AHL/NHL tweener. We haven't heard from from management or the coaches saying they expect him to contend. He seems to be behind Mangiapane and Foo in terms of hype.

Dube on the other hand I think is much more of a sure thing longterm. His speed is a real asset in a league where speed seems to be one of the most desirable assets at the moment. Dube looked really good last year in camp as a 19 year old. A better showing at that age than anything Klimchuk has ever shown in any camp. So from that angle you shouldn't be surprised. He seems to be on a better trajectory than Klimchuk and has an elite quality (speed) whereas Klimchuk has no elite qualities.

[activeStick]

My approach is combination of likelihood to make the show in an extended capacity and player upside which points to contribution at the NHL level (points or energy for energy line guys).

1. Andersson
2. Valimaki

Going with Foo here as he's already had a taste and had a good last half of the year in the A. Kylington is in the mix because of the big roster's situation at forward and defense. To make the team, there has to be some need! Locks on D are Giordano, Brodie, Hamonic, Hanifin. 2 spots available in my view but both Andersson and Valimaki are ahead of him. Locks up front to me are Monahan, Gaudreau, Neal, Lindholm, Backlund, Tkachuk, Frolik, Ryan, Bennett, Czarnik (not going to sign him and say the things they've said and send him down), and Jankowski. Again, not much room, but Foo has a spot up front that he can win. He'll need to beat our Brouwer, Hathaway and Lazar.

[TheScorpion]

FDW - I respect your opinion and thank you for your argument, although I feel Klimchuk is far more capable defensively. I really love prospects who can pull their weight at both ends of the ice and, in addition, because I'm voting based upon NHL-readiness, my belief that Klimchuk is the Flames' most seasoned prospect makes me put him #1 on my list. I simply see him as the prospect most able to step right into the Flames' lineup next year in ANY situation and have success.

[Bingo]

Back in the day I used to force each of you to give me a potential and a likelihood value and then they were combined.

2004 Prospects

You want to see thin? Check out the 2004 mess

[Reggie Dunlop]

Voted for the Foo man again.

[TheIronMaiden]

This debate about Klimchuk is interesting. I know they play different positions but Klimchuk (40 pts) and Foo (39 pts) had similar numbers last season. To put that in perspective Foo (24) is a year older than Klimchuk (23). Again, from a statistical standpoint Klimchuk was a very disciplined player he only had 24 PIM. To put that in perspective Foo had 41 PIM. An interesting factor is penalty killing, which is why I asked. If Klimchuk does kill penalties, than there is an argument to be made that Klimchuk could find a role in the bottom six. While I doubt that Klimchuk will ever become an impact NHLer, stating that he is "a bust" is not a given fact. Of course all of this is speculation. But hey. Its summer so why not shoot the breeze.