Corey Pronman ranks NHL Prospect Pools

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Hockey Prospectus is affiliated or part of the Baseball Prospectus family of sites. Baseball Prospectus has had multiple guys hired into baseball front offices. Its not some kind of Bleacher Report or home-made site.

Except advanced stats make sense in baseball when it comes to evaluating players. In hockey it's pure foolishness.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Jeeze, are you always so arrogant? "Why does his opinon matter"...says the message board poster. ha

Arrogant? For asking a question about who the guy is and why his opinion matters? For a site that is so hard on guys ranging from Pierre Maguire to thefanblogger I sure find it head scratching to take flack for questioning the validity of a guy's cred? I mean, Maguire was a GM and is actually connected in the hockey world and people discredit or crap on him all the time. But some guy who has no bona fides is a quality source of information, even though much of what he says is a regurgitation of information from sources like McKenzie, THN or ISS? And it's arrogant to question that? I guess I've been told. Pronman is a trustworthy source and should not be questioned. Thank you all for the enlightening information.

[Tinordi]

This touches on a bigger subject, those of us who think we're smarter than the stats.

Many hockey fans and even those semi-pro who work in the game are usually dismissive of "stats" and instead prefer "their own eyes."

There's basically a whole mountain of research that shows that basic statistical analysis if logically supported and consistent with actual outcomes is 10 times out of 10 the better predictor than human "experts."

I'm not saying this guy is smarter than anyone else, but if you can develop a simple algorithm that is able to use causal variables to predict performance, it will perform better than scouts, or your own eyeballs basically all of the time.

I don't see that kind of deference on this board. People point to how NHL-E is a crap stat (maybe it is) or they just are instantly dismissive of any type of broadly used statistical tool to evaluate players. Mostly because they just don't understand statistics, but usually because they're biased in that their own eyeballs are better, when frankly they're much worse.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

There's basically a whole mountain of research that shows that basic statistical analysis if logically supported and consistent with actual outcomes is 10 times out of 10 the better predictor than human "experts."

And where might this alleged research be? Because I have yet to see anything that proves that the "advanced" stats are anything other than something nerds use to try to be the next Bill James or the weapons losers use to be keyboard warriors on the internet.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

[QUOTE=kehatch;4322849]I don't agree with him entirely. I agree with the overall placement. But the Flames do have a fair bit of depth IMO.

C: Horak, Monahan, Jankowski, Knight, Reinhart, Granlund, Bouma, Arnold, Byron, DeBlouw
W: Baertschi, Gaudreau, Klmichuk, Poirier, Agostino, Ferland, Hanowski, Gordon, Harrison
D: Billins, Sieloff, Wotherspoon, Cundari, Breen, Roy, Kilak, Culkin, Ramage, Kanzig, Rafikov, Gilmour
G: Brossoit, Gilles, Ortio

There are a lot of B and C level prospects on the list. What the Flames lack are A level prospects on D and in net. They are also lacking proven NHL ready talent as the bulk of our best prospects have yet to play a game of pro.[/QUOTE]

In your opinion- how would you differentiate between an A, B, C and D level prospect? Are you basing that on potential of making the NHL, ceiling, NHL readiness, etc.? I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you but classifying prospects that way can be arbitrary depending on what criteria is used so I'd be interested to know how you differentiate.

I have to question the statement in bold though. I think proven NHL ready talent is a bit of an oxymoron - as they wouldn't really be a prospect, if they were a proven NHL ready talent. The lack of NHL experience and potential is part of what makes a player a prospect vs. a good young NHL player.

[Freeway]

All Pronman can do is provide his perspective and analysis. That's all anyone can do, really. Credibility comes from admitting mistakes and adjusting for it in the future.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by New Era

Arrogant? For asking a question about who the guy is and why his opinion matters? For a site that is so hard on guys ranging from Pierre Maguire to thefanblogger I sure find it head scratching to take flack for questioning the validity of a guy's cred? I mean, Maguire was a GM and is actually connected in the hockey world and people discredit or crap on him all the time. But some guy who has no bona fides is a quality source of information, even though much of what he says is a regurgitation of information from sources like McKenzie, THN or ISS? And it's arrogant to question that? I guess I've been told. Pronman is a trustworthy source and should not be questioned. Thank you all for the enlightening information.

Bob McKenzie himself tweeted thanks to Pronman for all his ongoing info about prospects. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines that Pronman had really helped increase his knowledge on prospects.
Pronman has his faults like anyone else, but he is well regarded by the "experts"

[Red Menace]

Here's the exact tweet by McKenzie:

https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/s...78516684906496

[Keselke]

Originally Posted by New Era

Who is Corey Pronman and why does his opinion matter?

We care about him when he has positive things to say about the flames


Discredit him when he has something negative to say about the flames, or good things about the Oilers/Canucks or Leafs. Basic template

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Keselke

We care about him when he has positive things to say about the flames


Discredit him when he has something negative to say about the flames, or good things about the Oilers/Canucks or Leafs. Basic template

Nice bump


Clown post man