08-26-2013, 01:31 AM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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PACIFIC:
1. Anaheim
2. LA
3. Vancouver
4. Calgary
5. Phoenix
6. San Jose
7. Edmonton
CENTRAL:
1. Chicago
2. St. Louis
3. Minnesota
4. Dallas
5. Winnipeg
6. Nashville
7. Colorado
ATLANTIC:
1. Boston
2. Ottawa
3. Montreal
4. Toronto
5. Detroit
6. Buffalo
7. Tampa Bay
METROPOLITAN:
1. Pittsburgh
2. New York Rangers
3. Washington
4. Columbus
5. New York Islanders
6. New Jersey
7. Philadelphia
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08-26-2013, 01:39 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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1. San Jose*
2. Anaheim*
3. Los Angeles*
4. Vancouver*
5. Edmonton
6. Phoenix
7. Calgary
1. St. Louis*
2. Chicago*
3. Minnesota*
4. Winnipeg*
5. Colorado
6. Nashville
7. Dallas
1. Ottawa*
2. Boston*
3. Montreal*
4. Detroit*
5. Toronto
6. Tampa Bay
7. Buffalo
8. Florida
1. Pittsburgh*
2. NYR*
3. NYI*
4. Washington*
5. Philadelphia
6. Columbus
7. Carolina
8. New Jersey
Note : New Jersey, Florida and Buffalo all finish below Calgary...again proving just how amazing it was for the Oilers to 'earn' the 1st overall pick for 3 consecutive seasons...really quite amazing.
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08-26-2013, 01:58 AM
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#24
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Lifetime Suspension
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Everybody
Flames 13th
Oilers 14th.
Let's be realistic, now.
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08-26-2013, 06:46 AM
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#25
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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PACIFIC:
1. LA (2)
2. SJ (4)
3. Anaheim (5)
4. Vancouver (7)
5. Phoenix (11)
6. Edmonton (12)
7. Calgary (14)
CENTRAL:
1. Chicago (1)
2. St. Louis (3)
3. Minnesota (6)
4. Colorado (8)
5. Dallas (9)
6. Winnipeg (10)
7. Nashville (13)
ATLANTIC:
1. Boston (2)
2. Detroit (5)
3. Toronto (6)
4. TB (8)
5. Ottawa (11)
6. Montreal (12)
7. Buffalo (13)
8. Florida (16)
METROPOLITAN:
1. Pittsburgh (1)
2. Philadelphia (3)
3. NYR (4)
4. Carolina (7)
5. Colombus (9)
6. Washington (10)
7. NYI (14)
8. NJ (15)
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08-26-2013, 07:06 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
What does that make the Flames F group then?
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Much better than Nashville's.
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08-26-2013, 07:25 AM
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#27
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Much better than Nashville's.
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Based on what?
Seriously...look at the 2 teams and explain where there is much difference.
I dont doubt that the Flames score more goals, but that will have as much to do with free wheeling Bob Hartleys system vs that of defense first Barry Trotz, but as far as talent.....its a wash at best.
I see the Preds finishing 10pts better than the Flames at the least.
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08-26-2013, 08:44 AM
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#28
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#1 Goaltender
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I think Boston and to a Smaller Extent Ottawa will benifit from to lowest quality of competition. Look for both Toronto and Montreal to take a step back, I think they caught a few teams flat footed last year, and that wont happen again.
Atlantic Division:
1. Boston Bruins (1)
2. Ottawa Senators (5)
3. Detroit Red Wings (6)
4. Montreal Canadiens (9)
5. Toronto Maple Leafs (10)
6. Tampa Bay Lightning (12)
7. Buffalo Sabres (13)
8. Florida Panthers (16)
The Big City Division will be the most competative, and likely the only one to grab a crossover spot. The NYIlanders are finally turning it arround. The Washington and Philly Vets took a long time to get going last year a full training camp will help. And Carolina seems to do one year on, one year off, so why expect that to change. The Rangers and CBJ also could have a shot.
Metropolitan Division
1. Pittsburgh Penguins (2)
2. New York Islanders (3)
3. Washington Capitals (4)
4. Philadelphia Flyers (7)
5. Carolina Hurricane (8)
6. Columbus Blue Jackets (11)
7. New York Rangers (14)
8. New Jersey Devils (15)
If Detroit or Columbus stayed in the west I probably would not have Denver in the playoffs, I also look for Minnesota to quitely be better this year. Suter really should have won the Norris last year (if it really is for the best Dman, not the highest scoring Dman).
Central Division
1. Chicago (2)
2. St. Louis (5)
3. Minnesota (6)
4. Colorado (8)
5. Dallas (9)
6. Nashville (11)
7. Winnipeg (12)
This is probably the most top heavy division. The California Teams should make the bad teams (Calgary & Phoenix) look really bad, and the average teams (Vancouver & Edmonton) look well below average. I put Vancouver ahead of Edmonton, because I still do not think that Edmonton is prepaired to play against the 6'4'' Power Centers Every Cali team has.
Pacific Division
1. Los Angeles (1)
2. San Jose (3)
3. Anaheim (4)
4. Vancouver (7)
5. Edmonton (10)
6. Phoenix (13)
7. Calgary (14)
Last edited by #-3; 08-26-2013 at 08:57 AM.
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08-26-2013, 09:38 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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After several years of the west being by far the stronger conference, it looks (at least to me) like the balance of power has swung back to the east.
In the Metro division, you can make a case for 7 of the teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs. In the Atlantic, there are probably 5 solid teams (2 out of TB, Mtl and the Leafs)
Compare that with the west where, in both divisions, things start to thin out really quickly after 3 teams, or 4 at the most
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08-26-2013, 12:25 PM
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#30
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Powerplay Quarterback
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It is going to be a really interesting season with the realignment. I think the Pacific division is going to be a really tough division, which should mean that more teams make the playoffs from that division than from Central.
I was debating whether or not I think the Red Wings could miss the playoffs and breaking their streak. It was tough to envision that happening as I actually view the East as being an easier conference than the West. However, I also think that the Lightning and 'Canes were playing way below where they should have been last season with the amount of talent on their teams.
I can see the 'Canes missing the playoffs simply because of how much they seem to be relying upon Ward. Islanders I think will get bumped by the Red Wings and I envision the Flyers going through yet another goalie-drama filled season.
To make things even worse, we might actually see both the Canucks and the Oilers make the playoffs (assuming the Canucks can keep their heads above water and the Oilers can finally play up to their potential).
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Playoff teams in bold.
PACIFIC - Los Angeles
- San Jose
- Anaheim
- Vancouver
- Edmonton
- Phoenix
- Calgary
CENTRAL- Chicago
- St Louis
- Minnesota
- Dallas
- Winnipeg
- Colorado
- Nashville
ATLANTIC- Boston
- Ottawa
- Montreal
- Tampa Bay
- Detroit
- Toronto
- Buffalo
- Florida
METROPOLITAN- Pittsburgh
- Washington
- Rangers
- Carolina
- Islanders
- Philadelphia
- Columbus
- New Jersey
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08-26-2013, 12:43 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Based on what?
Seriously...look at the 2 teams and explain where there is much difference.
I dont doubt that the Flames score more goals, but that will have as much to do with free wheeling Bob Hartleys system vs that of defense first Barry Trotz, but as far as talent.....its a wash at best.
I see the Preds finishing 10pts better than the Flames at the least.
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The Flames have a better offensive group of forwards.
The entire Nashville group of forwards has a combined total of 5 seasons of 50 points or more (only 3 players). Mike Cammalleri alone has that matched. Don't get me wrong the Predators forward group is vastly superior on the defensive side of the puck, but goal scoring for the Predators is going to be more difficult than usual for them. But you are underrating the offensive talent of the Flames top 9 wingers, offensively the Predators don't even compare.
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08-26-2013, 01:11 PM
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#32
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
The Flames have a better offensive group of forwards.
The entire Nashville group of forwards has a combined total of 5 seasons of 50 points or more (only 3 players). Mike Cammalleri alone has that matched. Don't get me wrong the Predators forward group is vastly superior on the defensive side of the puck, but goal scoring for the Predators is going to be more difficult than usual for them. But you are underrating the offensive talent of the Flames top 9 wingers, offensively the Predators don't even compare.
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Are you considering Forsberg as being in the Preds lineup? He should be a full time player this year and will help answer their need for scoring. Perhaps between him and a couple of other young players (Bourque, Wilson, Watson) they will be able to fill in the wings on either side of Legwand and Fisher.
It will likely require Rinne to continue to keep the scoring low but if he can do that then a small increase in scoring for the Preds could go a long way.
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08-26-2013, 03:00 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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PACIFIC - Los Angeles
- San Jose
- Anaheim
- Vancouver
- Edmonton
- Phoenix
- Calgary
CENTRAL - St Louis
- Chicago
- Dallas
- Minnesota
- Winnipeg
- Colorado
- Nashville
ATLANTIC - Ottawa
- Boston
- Detroit
- Tampa Bay
- Montreal
- Buffalo
- Toronto
- Florida
METROPOLITAN - Rangers
- Pittsburgh
- Islanders
- Philadelphia
- Washington
- Carolina
- New Jersey
- Columbus
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08-26-2013, 04:36 PM
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#34
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
After several years of the west being by far the stronger conference, it looks (at least to me) like the balance of power has swung back to the east.
In the Metro division, you can make a case for 7 of the teams having a realistic shot at the playoffs. In the Atlantic, there are probably 5 solid teams (2 out of TB, Mtl and the Leafs)
Compare that with the west where, in both divisions, things start to thin out really quickly after 3 teams, or 4 at the most
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I felt the opposite. Trying to come up with 8 teams to make the play-offs was tough with the garbage that is in the East. I ended up saying the last couple of teams make it because they aren't quite as bad as the other teams.
If you had a straight 30 team league with the top 16 making the play-offs I would expect about 10/11 teams currently in West and 5/6 in East make the play-offs and think that Chicago, LA, St. Louis and SJ at least as good if not better than the top team/s (Boston/Pitts) in the East.
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08-26-2013, 05:03 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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PACIFIC - Los Angeles
- San Jose
- Vancouver
- Edmonton
- Anaheim
- Phoenix
- Calgary
CENTRAL - St Louis
- Chicago
- Colorado
- Minnesota
- Dallas
- Winnipeg
- Nashville
ATLANTIC - Ottawa
- Boston
- Detroit
- Tampa Bay
- Montreal
- Buffalo
- Toronto
- Florida
METROPOLITAN - Rangers
- Pittsburgh
- Islanders
- Philadelphia
- Washington
- Carolina
- New Jersey
- Columbus
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08-28-2013, 10:19 AM
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#36
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moon
I felt the opposite. Trying to come up with 8 teams to make the play-offs was tough with the garbage that is in the East. I ended up saying the last couple of teams make it because they aren't quite as bad as the other teams.
If you had a straight 30 team league with the top 16 making the play-offs I would expect about 10/11 teams currently in West and 5/6 in East make the play-offs and think that Chicago, LA, St. Louis and SJ at least as good if not better than the top team/s (Boston/Pitts) in the East.
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The East was tricky for me as well. Columbus was fighting hard for a playoff spot in the West last year so I really do think they will be in the race to make the playoffs in the East this year but a lot of people are writing them off as a bottom feeder in the Metro division. I think Columbus will be the real gauge as to just how tough the East is compared to the West.
Carolina and Tampa Bay should be competitive as long as their goalie situations work out (Ward stays healthy and Bishop/Lindback platoon well). Neither team should have been tanking the way that they were last season and now that they have added another strong prospect both should be fighting for a playoff spot instead of a draft pick.
A lot of the teams in the East seem to be on an "upswing". The Red Wings are one of the few teams on a downswing but even with their aging vets I believe they can stay a playoff team.
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08-28-2013, 10:19 PM
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#37
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Oshawa
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PACIFIC
Los Angeles
San Jose
Anaheim
Vancouver
Edmonton
Phoenix
Calgary
CENTRAL
Chicago
St. Louis
Dallas
Colorado
Minnesota
Winnipeg
Nashville
ATLANTIC
Boston
Ottawa
Tampa Bay
Detroit
Toronto
Montreal
Buffalo
Florida
METROPOLITAN
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
Philadelphia
NY Islanders
Washington
Columbus
Carolina
New Jersey
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08-28-2013, 11:10 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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PACIFIC
Vancouver
Los Angeles
San Jose
Edmonton
Anaheim
Phoenix
Calgary
CENTRAL
St Louis
Chicago
Dallas
Winnipeg
Minnesota
Colorado
Nashville
ATLANTIC
Boston
Ottawa
Montreal
Detroit
Tampa Bay
Toronto
Buffalo
Florida
METROPOLITAN
Rangers
Pittsburgh
Islanders
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina
New Jersey
Columbus
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08-28-2013, 11:15 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
Are you considering Forsberg as being in the Preds lineup?
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You do realize that this is not a in his prime Peter Forsberg right? Even he could not carry that sad sack offense. Filip has not shown anything yet, he has a long way to go.
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08-29-2013, 07:24 AM
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#40
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First Line Centre
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I am surprised with the Caps getting the respect that they failed to earn last year.
Winning in the worst div in hockey by taking half a season off and just beating Winnipeg in the last week is not a team that should be getting an automatic pass to the playoffs. If they played like that in any other div they would never have been able to catch up.
Hopefully a harder div now will correct all of the inflated numbers that came out of the SE
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