American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Immigration? Nope, millions illegally crossing the border and with Title 42 set to expire, more and more undocumented migrants will enter the country each day.

Ah, I see. I wonder what kind of media you consume on the reg?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Yes, you're right. But why stop at student loans, forgive pay day loan debt, credit card debt, car loans, business loans, and mortgages too. A real solution would start with capping interest rates on (or interest free) student loans, free communitty college which Biden campaigned on, and the financial disclosure of post secondary institutions. Affordable distance education and child care programs for students with children. Simple, efficient government sponsored job programs for students including more paid co ops and more paid apprenticeship programs and providing higher/ more scholarships and bursaries for course completion and GPA. Fair incentives, fair costs and fair consequences. Not just wiping out debt on to have the cycle begin again immediately.

Ok, let’s do that too.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Ah, I see. I wonder what kind of media you consume on the reg?

1,130,000 increase Jan 2021- Jan 2022. I thought I’d read somewhere it was over over two million.

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Il...ulation-Survey

[afc wimbledon]

Brexit was largely the UK's idiot working class being whipped up into an anti migrant froth by right wing ####wits and shysty grifters, turns out those migrants work bloody hard doing all the jobs us white folks no longer want to do and the UK agricultural industry and construction sectors have been devastated by the loss of hard working entry level employees.

The US is even more addicted to cheap migrant labour than the UK, almost nothing down there gets picked, built, cleaned or maintained without the vast army of under the table undocumented workers doing the job for next to nothing

[Derek Sutton]

^ I know this. I’ve hired day labourers, hanging out at Home Depot, to help at our place down there. My cousin has a roofing company in Tucson, illegals are his “staff”. The priority needs to be documenting and getting these folks a US identity. This is a huge untapped tax base.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

1,130,000 increase Jan 2021- Jan 2022. I thought I’d read somewhere it was over over two million.

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Il...ulation-Survey

That source is actually published by an anti-immigration front. CIS was founded by white nationalists and continues to create propaganda that is not supported by actual data for crying out loud.

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

^ I know this. I’ve hired day labourers, hanging out at Home Depot, to help at our place down there. My cousin has a roofing company in Tucson, illegals are his “staff”. The priority needs to be documenting and getting these folks a US identity. This is a huge untapped tax base.

There's a lot of irony in your posts. Complaining about a problem and using a white nationalist web site as a source to support your claims, but then admitting you and your cousin have broken the law to support your needs and business outcomes? There are programs where employers can and are expected to validate work/visa and citizenship status. Businesses like your cousin's don't, because they would have to pay more and contribute to the tax base.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

^ I know this. I’ve hired day labourers, hanging out at Home Depot, to help at our place down there. My cousin has a roofing company in Tucson, illegals are his “staff”. The priority needs to be documenting and getting these folks a US identity. This is a huge untapped tax base.

You complain about "millions illegally crossing the border, more and more undocumented migrants enter the country each day"... and then you hire them as day labourers? It sounds like your cousin's entire roofing business is predicated on the cheap labour he pays to his "staff". The reason why those people go to the US is to be paid under the table for crappy jobs for people like you and your cousin; you guys are the source of the problem!!

[Sliver]

Wait, is Derek Sutton for real with that post? Hahah, that's awesome.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

^ I know this. I’ve hired day labourers, hanging out at Home Depot, to help at our place down there. My cousin has a roofing company in Tucson, illegals are his “staff”. The priority needs to be documenting and getting these folks a US identity. This is a huge untapped tax base.

No its not an untapped tax base, as if you tax them they are legal, and once legal you can't treat them like dirt anymore, they have rights and are entitled to services and are covered by labour laws, the whole point of that pool of labour is they have no choice but to pick oranges for 50 bucks a day or less
My guess is your cousin doesnt carry the massively expensive insurance that a Canadian roofing company has to carry, I doubt his business model would survive making his workforce legal (and I'm not taking a shot at your cousin, he is just running his company the way all construction is done in most of the south west)

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by timun

You complain about "millions illegally crossing the border, more and more undocumented migrants enter the country each day"... and then you hire them as day labourers? It sounds like your cousin's entire roofing business is predicated on the cheap labour he pays to his "staff". The reason why those people go to the US is to be paid under the table for crappy jobs for people like you and your cousin; you guys are the source of the problem!!

Actually the p!ss poor legislation, the lack of urgency to nationalize illegal immigrants and immigration policy are the problem. I was just a beneficiary of the by- product. We can only assume they were illegals, really the two of them could've been out of work or simply earning a living doing daily labour, don't know, didn't ask, but the one could lay tile like a mf'r.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Actually the p!ss poor legislation, the lack of urgency to nationalize illegal immigrants and immigration policy are the problem. I was just a beneficiary of the by- product. We can only assume they were illegals, really the two of them could've been out of work or simply earning a living doing daily labour, don't know, didn't ask, but the one could lay tile like a mf'r.

No the employers are the whole problem, no work no migrants.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No the employers are the whole problem, no work no migrants.

Even for those with no work, unemployed and homeless in the US is much better then being unemployed and homeless in Mexico or many of the Central American countries. Now providing ID's, SSN numbers to these folks would certainly allow for more then laborer jobs, they could attain jobs that give benefits and career advancement. There would still be those who choose cash jobs and employers seeking these individuals but there are also those who will do and want more.

It's like the influx of Mexican Mennonites we've seen into southern AB. They all arrived as farm laborer's, going back 20 plus years. Some have stayed as farm laborers, while many have moved on to other careers, started their own businesses and gone to college/ university.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

What has Biden done right? The withdrawal of the troops from Afgahnastan? Nope. Covid? "We're not going to eliminate jobs, we're going to eliminate the virus". Nope. Immigration? Nope, millions illegally crossing the border and with Title 42 set to expire, more and more undocumented migrants will enter the country each day. This government in its current from is a total failure.

Well he certainly has not gone out of his way to make things worse, which is more than can be said for recent republicans, which is something that should be carefully considered. You are basically a comic villain at this point, holding the girlfriend and some small children over a ledge asking who will be saved when you drop both.

Afghanistan, solely lays at the feat of the Bush administration for not negotiating when they had one the war, and then starting a second war which gave the enemy time to regroup, and of the 3 presidents that followed Biden was the only one with the gumption to take the bas press and do what needed to be done, he could have done what Trump/Obama did and let a marginal number of people continue to die in a low level conflict for another 4 years so he didn't have to suffer an ugly looking exit, but instead made the right choice.

Covid, hasn't been something to be controlled really since 3 months in when we realized how truely terribly Trumps administration bungled it. So I'm not always certain what people mean when they say Biden has bungled Covid? The communication hasn't been good, but I'm always sympathetic to somebody who is coming up against an opponent who is using brandolinis law against them and their ability to communicate.

Immigration? sure he hasn't done enough, for him to improve the legal immigration pathways to reduce illegal demand? Is there a preference to executive action, that will just be undone when idiots who actually convince themselves Biden was worse than Trump reelect Trump? Or should this be laid at the feat of congress instead of the President? What other way are you thinking of reducing this demand, maybe massive aide programs to these countries, so their people don't have as much pressure to leave? Maybe the US should just invade and take over those territories so their president can control everything.

These are really hard problems, and it is really easy to critique, but hard to suggest solutions. There is a big difference between complaining that guys have been ineffective about driving improvements and complaining about someone actively making things worse.

What's he do right? From a Canadian Prospective, this would be my favorite thing, I would like to see cooperative policy to economically isolate tax havens that are the underlaying problem of a lot of our issues. [ulr]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/11/biden-and-g-7-leaders-will-endorse-a-global-minimum-corporate-tax.html[/url]

[PepsiFree]

Why won’t Biden stop me from taking advantage of illegals?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

1,130,000 increase Jan 2021- Jan 2022. I thought I’d read somewhere it was over over two million.

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Il...ulation-Survey

Any numbers of the next immigration change between 2020 and 2021?

I have a funny feeling the numbers plummeted, as though there was some kind of global catastrophe where borders were hardened and people stopped moving, and there was some kind of pent up demand looming that cause a shock to the market for border crossings. It's not like those exact things are happening in other sectors.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The wife of a Supreme Court justice trying to overthrow an election based on conspiracy theories. At what point does Clarence get the boot? Or is this ok?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1527684198370271233

[photon]

Welcome to the new normal.

[AltaGuy]

I hate that Democrats still pretend that there's anything worth saving about the Supreme Court. Acknowledge that it's now a partisan political body and stack the thing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Acknowledge that it's NOW a partisan political body? Like this is news?

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Acknowledge that it's NOW a partisan political body? Like this is news?

There's a reason that Roberts is so concerned by this Alito decision beyond the overturning of long-established precedent. The decision itself is poor jurisprudence, and a myriad of other precedents will be affected by the hamfisted way it was decided.

The partisan nature of the SC has been dialled up to 11 in the last few years. The GOP is to blame.