The answer is to have more Democrats win. Every move should be about that.
This would be amazing if it worked.
"Vote out Trump and his allies! Give us control of government, and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
SOME TIME LATER
"OK, you gave us control of government... but we're still not, you know, OVERWHELMINGLY in control of it! So vote in even more of us next time and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
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The answer is to have more Democrats win. Every move should be about that.
And if you get more Manchins and Sinemas, how does that help? And if you think they're the only ones in the Democratic party willing to sell out their constituents to satisfy their donors, I have a bridge to sell you.
"Vote out Trump and his allies! Give us control of government, and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
SOME TIME LATER
"OK, you gave us control of government... but we're still not, you know, OVERWHELMINGLY in control of it! So vote in even more of us next time and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
For all the smug condescension the left has aimed at the right for being susceptible to "grifters" over the years, it's pretty hilarious to watch the chickens come home to roost from our own set of id-pol hucksters. And I include myself in that crowd.
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And if you get more Manchins and Sinemas, how does that help? And if you think they're the only ones in the Democratic party willing to sell out their constituents to satisfy their donors, I have a bridge to sell you.
Again, it still helps that Schumer is Senate Leader and not McConnell. It's still a numbers game first. If not for Manchin, W. Virginia will elected 2 GOP Senators for the foreseeable future.
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Oh boy. There's been increasing talks making the rounds about a potential Hillary run in 2024 for the Dems. They really know how to make it hard for themselves, don't they?
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That country is absolutely broken. I think they're likely past the point of no return now, and what we're currently witnessing are the early stages of the end of American democracy. I sincerely hope that Canada is preparing for this inevitability and doing everything in our power to protect our own democracy and minimize the damage as much as we can.
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Again, it still helps that Schumer is Senate Leader and not McConnell. It's still a numbers game first. If not for Manchin, W. Virginia will elected 2 GOP Senators for the foreseeable future.
It doesn't matter. The goalposts will continue to move and they'll always be short by just enough votes on anything that might result in meaningful systemic changes.
It doesn't matter. The goalposts will continue to move and they'll always be short by just enough votes on anything that might result in meaningful systemic changes.
Sure but you can already see what the GOP can do with a majority. We're talking things like 10% flat income tax. You need to at least stop that even if things are stalled.
At least this way you may get systemic change, as slim as it may seem now. Give the GOP majority and it's game over for progressive views. You can't get there by not voting.
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Great interview, my biggest issue is Brett responding to her calling out Fox News for not standing against the big lie about the election is that he was saying they have stood up against it, while we all know his Fox talking heads, opinion hosts constantly cast doubt against the election and perpetuate the lie, especially Tucker Carlson who basically created the most awful dishonest "documentary" about the insurrection.
Fox news division isn't horrible, they generally are decent, but they can't pretend that the opinion people aren't their biggest watched shows and have massive influence in the right-wing of America.
And if you get more Manchins and Sinemas, how does that help? And if you think they're the only ones in the Democratic party willing to sell out their constituents to satisfy their donors, I have a bridge to sell you.
Again - nothing you can do about Manchin. Use any other candidate in West Virginia and you lose by 30 points. You need enough seats to work around him on these issues.
The whole filibuster thing will be an issue to win the nominations going forward - although more likely is the Republicans win the Senate back and get rid of it themselves - so I suspect the Democrats won't nominate anyone like her in states they might actually win.
Progressives can live in a fantasy land of a 3rd party ever having control of anything in the US or figure out how to work within the system.
"Vote out Trump and his allies! Give us control of government, and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
SOME TIME LATER
"OK, you gave us control of government... but we're still not, you know, OVERWHELMINGLY in control of it! So vote in even more of us next time and we'll pass the agenda that you want to see!"
What's the alternative that is a possibility to actually occur?
I assume you mean a good alternative, and I don't think there is one, really. Obviously people should be voting for democrats, and what people like Rube want in terms of a shift in Democratic policy priorities isn't realistic at all in my view. It's just funny watching the dems operate. It's like political cowardice is fundamental to the party ideology, like they've internalized that stereotype of politicians and made it their guiding star.
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Again - nothing you can do about Manchin. Use any other candidate in West Virginia and you lose by 30 points. You need enough seats to work around him on these issues.
The whole filibuster thing will be an issue to win the nominations going forward - although more likely is the Republicans win the Senate back and get rid of it themselves - so I suspect the Democrats won't nominate anyone like her in states they might actually win.
Progressives can live in a fantasy land of a 3rd party ever having control of anything in the US or figure out how to work within the system.
I mean it should be pretty obvious by now that there is no working within the system. The system is stacked in favour of the wealthy, and they have a pretty good grip on both parties. The best bet is organization at a grass roots level, labour disruptions, civil disobedience, etc.
I mean it should be pretty obvious by now that there is no working within the system. The system is stacked in favour of the wealthy, and they have a pretty good grip on both parties. The best bet is organization at a grass roots level, labour disruptions, civil disobedience, etc.
I mean it should be pretty obvious by now that there is no working within the system. The system is stacked in favour of the wealthy, and they have a pretty good grip on both parties. The best bet is organization at a grass roots level, labour disruptions, civil disobedience, etc.
Unions is where I would focus all effort on. They can have compatible political power to doners.
The Democrars have abandoned unions for the coastal elites. You think some fragile student from Yale is going to lead civil disobedience?
Democrats can't bash on Amazon and Walmart when mostly minorities are working there. Again, big tent.
You've all read the history of Revolutions, it's all from the working class against the bourgeoisie. But the working class is in the GOP tent. W. Virginia, once carried by Bill Clinton has shifted 30 points.
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The Democrars have abandoned unions for the coastal elites. You think some fragile student from Yale is going to lead civil disobedience?
Democrats can't bash on Amazon and Walmart when mostly minorities are working there. Again, big tent.
You've all read the history of Revolutions, it's all from the working class against the bourgeoisie. But the working class is in the GOP tent. W. Virginia, once carried by Bill Clinton has shifted 30 points.
