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02-13-2022, 01:29 PM
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I expect we'll see more of that. My wife is an elementary school teacher in BC and several schools in the district had a partial lockdown (exterior doors locked and no going outside) on Friday afternoon because the RCMP warned them of credible threats of protesters showing up at the school.
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02-13-2022, 01:29 PM
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Where is the military?
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02-13-2022, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
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Going to see more of this. Most (all?) schools have brought in protocol over the last couple weeks on how to deal with protest groups showing up.
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02-13-2022, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
If for no other reason than posterity, let's talk about the Coutts border blockade and the occupation of Ottawa in its own thread.
Other blockades, convoys and protests are springing up here, there and everywhere. Basically, it's like Facebook has turned from Pinocchio into a real boy.
Right-wing extremists have gone virtually unchallenged - and in many cases supported - by law enforcement for over two weeks and counting.
Other places to read about this would be late January and early February 2022 posts in the Canadian Politics thread, the Alberta Politics thread, and the Morons of the Pandemic thread in the COVID-19 subforum.
A couple of maddening things:
- idiots far and wide support this nonsense
- the terrorists and protesters have brought their children to the territories they are occupying to limit the offensive action law enforcement (should they decide to do their jobs) can take without endangering kids
- they have co-opted the Canadian flag as a symbol of their stupidity and selfishness
- our premier literally gave into the demands of the terrorists and removed numerous covid health measures to appease these bafoons who have created a checkstop and blockaded the Coutts border crossing. They didn't leave and then moved the goalposts to say they'll stay until Trudeau resigns.
- the terrorism of the people of Ottawa has been absolutely brutal.
I'll try to take some time on Monday to update this original post with links to lay the foundation for future readers about what is happening (unless I forget or lose interest).
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Let's not forget our gov'ts picked this fight by not being as decisive with the removal of restrictions as they were the implementation of them.
There is much to discuss about the methods that the protestors are using, but the stated goal of unwinding covid restrictions is the correct position and our Federal Gov'ts position is the incorrect position.
The federal gov't (and especially Trudeau), chose a path which eliminated dialogue around the merits (or lack thereof) of the policies. This opened the door for polarization rather than a mature discussion around the hows and the whens of unwinding covid restriction policies.
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02-13-2022, 01:41 PM
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Has Ottawa attempted to get an injunction to end the occupation?
The only one I have seen is the horn honking one.
As you can see in the Ambassador Bridge protest these scenarios can be dealt with. Get a court injunction then start moving people out.
Same with Alberta and Coutts.
The leadership in these cities and provinces have failed to use the tools at their disposal to end the protests peacefully.
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02-13-2022, 01:41 PM
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Let's not forget our gov'ts picked this fight by not being as decisive with the removal of restrictions as they were the implementation of them.
There is much to discuss about the methods that the protestors are using, but the stated goal of unwinding covid restrictions is the correct position and our Federal Gov'ts position is the incorrect position.
The federal gov't (and especially Trudeau), chose a path which eliminated dialogue around the merits (or lack thereof) of the policies. This opened the door for polarization rather than a mature discussion around the hows and the whens of unwinding covid restriction policies.
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If want to put our heads in the sand and pretend that's what this is about - sure.
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02-13-2022, 01:42 PM
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Being indecisive is virtually giving these idiots consent to do whatever they want without consequences (or minimal consequences). Walking yesterday I saw a truck with a Canadian and American flag; I gave them a thumbs down but they were going the same direction as me and were well past so wouldn’t have noticed. I have a low opinion of these people.
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02-13-2022, 01:42 PM
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The protestors aren't all terrible people. They have some legitimate gripes in many cases. The problem is that they are falling in line behind documented racists and white nationalists using the mandate protests as cover for their own gross agenda. Their leaders have been shown to be extremists and yet the Karens and Kevins at the protests aren't morally strong enough to walk away from these lunatics.
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02-13-2022, 01:43 PM
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MOD EDIT: removed insult
Last edited by KootenayFlamesFan; 02-16-2022 at 05:26 AM.
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02-13-2022, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
Let's not forget our gov'ts picked this fight by not being as decisive with the removal of restrictions as they were the implementation of them.
There is much to discuss about the methods that the protestors are using, but the stated goal of unwinding covid restrictions is the correct position and our Federal Gov'ts position is the incorrect position.
The federal gov't (and especially Trudeau), chose a path which eliminated dialogue around the merits (or lack thereof) of the policies. This opened the door for polarization rather than a mature discussion around the hows and the whens of unwinding covid restriction policies.
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You mean the provisional governments right with the restrictions that affect people? And not a mandate that prevented American truckers from entering Canada without being vaccinated. The whole basis is a sham.
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02-13-2022, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
Let's not forget our gov'ts picked this fight by not being as decisive with the removal of restrictions as they were the implementation of them.
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What was not decisive about removing the restrictions?
They have decided that the time isn't yet right to do so based on their scientific advisors.
Can you show me where they were indecisive?
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02-13-2022, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SportsJunky
The protestors aren't all terrible people. They have some legitimate gripes in many cases. The problem is that they are falling in line behind documented racists and white nationalists using the mandate protests as cover for their own gross agenda. Their leaders have been shown to be extremists and yet the Karens and Kevins at the protests aren't morally strong enough to walk away from these lunatics.
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Or deep down they agree with the white nationalist organizers. I think you vastly underestimate how much deep seated racism there is in this country that only comes to surface under extreme circumstances
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02-13-2022, 01:47 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsJunky
The protestors aren't all terrible people. They have some legitimate gripes in many cases. The problem is that they are falling in line behind documented racists and white nationalists using the mandate protests as cover for their own gross agenda. Their leaders have been shown to be extremists and yet the Karens and Kevins at the protests aren't morally strong enough to walk away from these lunatics.
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The playbook of painting people as racists and white nationalists is dangerous and divisive. It just doesn't work anymore as a cudgel because it's largely easy to tell the normal protestors apart from the crazies. The "broad brush" approach to de-legitimizing large groups is counter-productive.
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02-13-2022, 01:51 PM
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RCMP say 53 provincial tickets have been laid near the Coutts blockade over the last 24 hours, mostly under the Traffic Safety Act. This sort of enforcement is expected to be ongoing in the coming days.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...test-1.6350336
Hey-o! Keep it up boys, this is step one from 2 weeks ago.
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02-13-2022, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bagor
What was not decisive about removing the restrictions?
They have decided that the time isn't yet right to do so based on their scientific advisors.
Can you show me where they were indecisive?
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A large (majority?) of the population thinks that our current restriction policies are now no longer necessary or wanted. Trudeau may disagree with this, and he may do so based on his advisors. But his big mistake was taking an approach that outright refused discussion and open-ness. He basically took an approach that created a binary: either you were with his decisions or you were a racist, misogynist with unacceptable views.
I think a lot of Canadians are looking at themselves and saying: wait a second, I think the trucker vaccine mandate is a bad policy and I'm not a racist.
Our government's approach will be a case study in how not to carry on a national debate/discussion in a democracy.
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02-13-2022, 01:53 PM
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Uncle Chester
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
The playbook of painting people as racists and white nationalists is dangerous and divisive. It just doesn't work anymore as a cudgel because it's largely easy to tell the normal protestors apart from the crazies. The "broad brush" approach to de-legitimizing large groups is counter-productive.
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I'm saying the protests are being led by documented racists and white nationalists. Are you disagreeing with this?
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02-13-2022, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BoLevi
Let's not forget our gov'ts picked this fight by not being as decisive with the removal of restrictions as they were the implementation of them.
There is much to discuss about the methods that the protestors are using, but the stated goal of unwinding covid restrictions is the correct position and our Federal Gov'ts position is the incorrect position.
The federal gov't (and especially Trudeau), chose a path which eliminated dialogue around the merits (or lack thereof) of the policies. This opened the door for polarization rather than a mature discussion around the hows and the whens of unwinding covid restriction policies.
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You’re wondering why the government didn’t have dialogue, with experts in the field of trucking, regarding emergency public health restrictions? And at precisely the peak of covid hospitalizations across the country?
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02-13-2022, 01:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
The playbook of painting people as racists and white nationalists is dangerous and divisive. It just doesn't work anymore as a cudgel because it's largely easy to tell the normal protestors apart from the crazies. The "broad brush" approach to de-legitimizing large groups is counter-productive.
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Occupying a city and closing borders is also divisive.
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