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Old 12-03-2022, 02:22 PM   #301
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^Thx man I wish these sites would update with more up to date info. 160 is still small but at least the gap is not as large.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:23 PM   #302
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No he's not the same size. He's 20-30 pounds heavier (again unless the status on MP are incorrect).
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:24 PM   #303
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When the Flames only drafted Big Boys from the WHL in the 2000s, their drafting was even worse.
Very different time and very different outcomes. It's arguable who was better. I'd rather have a guy that can contribute on those lower lines David Moss, Adam Pardy, Adam Cracknell than a guy who is destined to stay in the minors their whole career like Phillips, Pettersen, Zavgorodniy, etc. There is a blend you need, and the Flames just seem incapable of finding that blend.

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Cole Caufield is the same size as Matthew Phillips. Matty is actually listed as 5'8" where Caufield is 5'7". - 5'8" contributing guys include DeBrincat, Zuccarello, Atkinson
Matthew Phillips is not 5'8. Just watch some video. Pelletier is 5'9 and towers over Phillips. This is a lineup card adjustment, plain and simple. You can't hide the fact that guys are small through the lineup card. It bubbles to the surface very quickly when the big boys arrive on the scene and the small guy has to play against them.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:24 PM   #304
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^Thx man I wish these sites would update with more up to date info. 160 is still small but at least the gap is not as large.
Yeah what not a lot of people know about hockeyDB is it's run by one guy. And those measurements don't get regularly updated after the first time they get inputted.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:26 PM   #305
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Yeah what not a lot of people know about hockeyDB is it's run by one guy. And those measurements don't get regularly updated after the first time they get inputted.
Yeah but the NHL has him at 140 for pete's sake.
https://www.nhl.com/player/matthew-phillips-8479547

I should have checked the AHL site though.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:30 PM   #306
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No Jiri, you needn't bother. Anyone who has been around sports long enough know how much fudging goes into lineup cards and how much players weigh and their height. Never trust what comes from the lineup cards. They're highly inaccurate depending on the desire of the team in question.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:33 PM   #307
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If everyone's height and weight is fudged to the same extent, then we might as well just look at the baseline.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:33 PM   #308
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Is Phillips smaller than Gaudreau or Mangs?
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:36 PM   #309
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Is Phillips smaller than Gaudreau or Mangs?
Substantially.
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Is Phillips smaller than Gaudreau or Mangs?

Johnny is listed as an inch taller at 5'9" with similar weight of 165lb
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Lol. Lanny, you're talking about Phillips like he's 5'2". He's maybe an inch shorter than Pelletier.
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Johnny is listed as an inch taller at 5'9" with similar weight of 165lb
Gaudreau canít be 5í9..that with 3 inch skates on?
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:46 PM   #313
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Interesting article from Hockeynews - Nov 8th 2022 includes Phillips in the list

Five AHL Players Who Deserve an Extended NHL Audition

https://thehockeynews.com/news/five-...d-nhl-audition
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:52 PM   #314
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I'll never forget when I was in a pub with Daymond Langkow.

He was listed as 5'11" with the Flames. We walked up to the bar to get a drink at the same time and he was clearly 3 inches shorten than me (I'm 6'0" ... or was)

I would assume Gaudreau was 5'7" and Phillips is something like 5'5". They all cheat ... which is dumb as hell.
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Offensively could bring a spark to this team.

Grit Index probably an epic fail lol
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I don’t care about grit index as much as effort index. Scorpion you have said on numerous times the guy has a really high effort level and good motor right? I’d be happy with someone just active and involved with skill.
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Old 12-03-2022, 02:58 PM   #317
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He did lay out some guy with an open ice hit a couple years ago. Not sure how big the other guy was.
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I'll never forget when I was in a pub with Daymond Langkow.

He was listed as 5'11" with the Flames. We walked up to the bar to get a drink at the same time and he was clearly 3 inches shorten than me (I'm 6'0" ... or was)

I would assume Gaudreau was 5'7" and Phillips is something like 5'5". They all cheat ... which is dumb as hell.
What was height and weight of St. Louis and Savard? 2 small guys we had no idea what to do with but someone else did.
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What was height and weight of St. Louis and Savard? 2 small guys we had no idea what to do with but someone else did.
Every team has those stories.

That was 20+ years ago with different GMs and different cap systems.

You hope they don't repeat for sure, but every team in the league is trying to make decisions with bubble players. You hope they get it right.

Pittsburgh lost Zahorna to Calgary who has looked in the AHL.
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Old 12-03-2022, 03:18 PM   #320
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again the league has never been softer

if he isn't getting bowled over nightly in the A (learned how to be elusive and tough enough to absorb hits) then he will be fine in today's nhl

if the oilers and their butter soft players can rack up points in this division then Phillips certainly has a good chance to as well
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