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Old 09-07-2022, 02:27 PM   #21
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Even more surprising to me is that Geno Smith is a starter again.
And Marcus Mariota. Just goes to show how many young QB's bust that these guys are still starting in week one around the league.
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Old 09-07-2022, 03:46 PM   #22
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I think Pete Carrol bet his entire contract on the Seahawks being under a total of 2.5 wins this year.

I'll enjoy the fact that there will be carnage with all the broken ankles of former Seahawk fans diving off the wagon. But there will be some terrible football. At least the D.K. Metcalfe meltdown should be fun to watch.
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Old 09-07-2022, 04:10 PM   #23
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If Pete is tanking or betting the farm on the under win total, why wouldn't he start the obviously worse Drew Lock?
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Old 09-07-2022, 04:49 PM   #24
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If Pete is tanking or betting the farm on the under win total, why wouldn't he start the obviously worse Drew Lock?
Because he fears that Drew Lock might improve. Geno isn't going to change. Plus if he can beat Wilson in week one...the next 15 losses won't really bother the locals.
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Sure Lock might improve, but his floor is a good two wins lower than Geno. And the likelihood he improves is still very low. I'd be riding him if tanking was the goal.
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Old 09-07-2022, 05:05 PM   #26
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Drew Lock is objectively garbage. He’s like the wish dot com version of Jay Cutler. That Seattle actively coveted him in the Wilson trade speaks to how poorly they judge talent. And he couldn’t even beat out Geno? C’mon son
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That is an amazing and accurate analogy
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Irvin picking Cousins to win the MVP is ___?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/07/mi...s-vikings-odds
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…Evidence of a few too many hits to the head.
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They are going to be sneaky good this year. But mvp is too much.
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Could see the entire AFC West make the playoffs. Other than beating up each other, they have NFC West and AFC South which are easy. Broncos also get the Panthers and Jets lol.
You think the NFC West is easy?
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That is quite the hot take. I think Cousins is a good 2nd tier QB that is a little underappreciated but his record against winning teams is atrocious and that's going to have to change big time for him to get any MVP consideration.
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The argument for Cousins makes sense, although it's more of a "best value bet" argument than a logical argument for him as MVP. That division is terrible, they are free from Zimmer's never ending commitment to the run, so if they can go 12-5 or something like that and Cousins puts up top numbers he could be a factor. At +5000 he might be worth putting a 10 on.
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The argument for Cousins makes sense, although it's more of a "best value bet" argument than a logical argument for him as MVP. That division is terrible, they are free from Zimmer's never ending commitment to the run, so if they can go 12-5 or something like that and Cousins puts up top numbers he could be a factor. At +5000 he might be worth putting a 10 on.
Problem is that he's not a sexy name and awards like this are popularity contests. Putting up stats equivalent to Mahomes, Hebert, Allen, Burrow, etc will make him a forgotten man. He needs to be far and away better which is not likely. It seems like many have already determined that Hebert or Allen will win it which makes it incredibly difficult for a guy like Cousins or any tier 2 QB to get his name in the conversation.
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In the weak division he is in, I could see Cousins putting up some huge numbers with that offense. I could even see Minny taking the division from GB as GB has minimal help at wideouts. Whomever gets the NFC North or NFC East in the playoffs will be laughing this year though. It's going to be a fight of garbage contenders
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The Vikings have the benefit of low expectations too. Like Josh Allen is a pretty heavy frontrunner, but if the Bills record is 10-7 at the end of the season and the Patriots or Dolphins win the division, he will have almost no chance even if he puts up stupid numbers because they will be viewed as one of the biggest disappointments in the league. Vikings are viewed as probably a fringe playoff contender at best, so winning the division or even getting the #1 seed makes Cousins chances quite good, even if his numbers are appreciably worse than Allen's.
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The Vikings have the benefit of low expectations too. Like Josh Allen is a pretty heavy frontrunner, but if the Bills record is 10-7 at the end of the season and the Patriots or Dolphins win the division, he will have almost no chance even if he puts up stupid numbers because they will be viewed as one of the biggest disappointments in the league. Vikings are viewed as probably a fringe playoff contender at best, so winning the division or even getting the #1 seed makes Cousins chances quite good, even if his numbers are appreciably worse than Allen's.
Yeah but what about Hebert? If the Chargers secure a playoff spot he will easily assume Allen's place as the favorite. Also there's a pocket of media that's been pumping Russell Wilson's tires for MVP for a long time. If the Broncos have a good season and he puts up big numbers I have a hard time seeing voters pick Cousins over him.
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What about Dak? Cowboys media love is over the top, if they get the #1 seed in a pass heavy offense he will be the winner pretty easily I would think. I'm just saying I get the argument for Cousins, even if I don't agree with it. Benefits of low expectations pretty much. Not that Mahomes or Lamar are great comparable, but when they won their MVPs they were essentially unknown products. It's always easier to win when the standard is lower. Allen, and Herbert too far that matter, are expected to post stupid numbers this year. If they post good, but not stupid numbers, their chances fall apart, fair or not.
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Irvin picking Cousins to win the MVP is ___?

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It's off the board but it's potentially shrewd.

QB A
4115 Yards
37 Touchdowns
4 Interceptions

QB B
4221 Yards
33 Touchdowns
7 Interceptions

QB A is Aaron Rodgers who was last years MVP, QB B is Cousins stats last year. Almost identical and really Cousins might have deserved more MVP consideration last year.

Minnesota has a good receiving core, Davlin Cook in the backfield and could be a dangerous offense this year under Kevin O'Connell.

At +5000 he might be a decent gamble.
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What about Dak? Cowboys media love is over the top, if they get the #1 seed in a pass heavy offense he will be the winner pretty easily I would think. I'm just saying I get the argument for Cousins, even if I don't agree with it. Benefits of low expectations pretty much. Not that Mahomes or Lamar are great comparable, but when they won their MVPs they were essentially unknown products. It's always easier to win when the standard is lower. Allen, and Herbert too far that matter, are expected to post stupid numbers this year. If they post good, but not stupid numbers, their chances fall apart, fair or not.
I wonder about the Cowboys offense this season. I don't know if they adequately replaced Cooper and Wilson. Washington could miss the first month of the season. I'm not sure if he will even be able to match last season's totals. This season definitely seems more intriguing than the average season as there's just so many storylines all across the league with so much talent moving around.
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