Inclusivity and the NHL: We Have a Problem

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can't his personal religious beliefs be fluid just like his gender identity? I say yes. How about you?

Beliefs can be fluid, sure.

If you’re somebody who calls the Bible their highest authority, then you’re kind of stuck. Pretty antithetical positions.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by btimbit

That makes it look even worse, and it's exactly the hypocrisy some people have been calling out. If he's just picking and choosing which parts of his faith to follow, then it's pretty telling that 'gays shouldn't be treated as equals' is one part that he's going to throw his support behind

So you're saying people who are gender fluid are hypocrites?

You do know that people can convert their religion? Or even disagree on aspects of scripture with their church, right?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You must be new to this religion thing.

I'm well familiar with hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. It played a major role in renouncing my Catholicism.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Personally, I gotta hand it to Riemer for sticking to his beliefs knowing he was going to face a lot of criticism and scrutiny

You really don't.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

So you're saying people who are gender fluid are hypocrites?

You do know that people can convert their religion? Or even disagree on aspects of scripture with their church, right?

Ya then it is not a religious belief. It is just personal bigotry.


This is his church https://www.abc27.com/national/menno...inclusion/amp/

Among the changes, pastors will be allowed to perform same-sex marriages, and the denomination has committed to forming an LGBT constituency group.

Reimer says “#### that ####, my religion does not accept this LGBTQ2 ####”. His own religion shows that it is not a religious belief he has.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Beliefs can be fluid, sure.

If you’re somebody who calls the Bible their highest authority, then you’re kind of stuck. Pretty antithetical positions.

Someone should tell all those sects then!

And which edition of the Bible are we talking about? King James? Or do we go back to original translations? Just to be clear.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The NHL should ban him for life………

For not wearing a warm up jersey.

Maybe prison?

He’s being arrested Tuesday.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You do know that people can convert their religion? Or even disagree on aspects of scripture with their church, right?

Which is exactly the point. He's not making this stand because his religion told him too and he's powerless to make his own decision. He did this because it's what he believes, and he's just using his faith as something to hide behind

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Which is exactly the point. He's not making this stand because his religion told him too and he's powerless to make his own decision. He did this because it's what he beliefs, and he's just using his faith as something to hide behind

If you can just have individual beliefs that somehow become religion I have to make some serious changes to my 2022 Tax Return.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya then it is not a religious belief. It is just personal bigotry.


This is his church https://www.abc27.com/national/menno...inclusion/amp/



Reimer says “#### that ####, my religion does not accept this LGBTQ2 ####”. His own religion shows that it is not a religious belief he has.

This is my church: https://www.jamesonwhiskey.com

Next you'll be telling me that isn't preordained...

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If you can just have individual beliefs that somehow become religion I have to make some serious changes to my 2022 Tax Return.

Joseph Smith would like a word.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Joseph Smith would like a word.

Sure, when 10 million people start following Reimer I will concede he has created a new religion. Right now he is just a bigot and society has traditionally not deemed any random bigot as starting a new religion.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The NHL should ban him for life………

For not wearing a warm up jersey.

Maybe prison?

Fun that these guys value liberty and freedom of speech so much that they categorize speech critical of someone’s belief as being equivalent to imprisoning them.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Which is exactly the point. He's not making this stand because his religion told him too and he's powerless to make his own decision. He did this because it's what he believes, and he's just using his faith as something to hide behind

Maybe I missed it, where did Reimer say he was powerless?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Yamer

You really don't.

You know what they say about idle hands...

[BoLevi]

It doesn't matter whether his position is religious or not. He was asked to conform or be considered an Inclusivity Heretic. As far as I know, he was never interested in discussing his beliefs one way or the other prior.

The problem is the jersey wearing is no longer a show of support - it's now a test of compliance and conformity.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It doesn't matter whether his position is religious or not. He was asked to conform or be considered an Inclusivity Heretic. As far as I know, he was never interested in discussing his beliefs one way or the other prior.

The problem is the jersey wearing is no longer a show of support - it's now a test of compliance and conformity.

Well this is progress at least, you seem to have dropped this religious ruse.

Your complaint is that individuals should be allowed to discriminate against whatever groups they deem individually they dislike. And they should be allowed to demonstrate their discrimination against these groups by refusing to wear a hockey jersey for 15 minutes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No its a test of are you a decent human being and James said no I am not and used his religious beliefs to hide behind the fact he's a piece of trash.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Fun that these guys value liberty and freedom of speech so much that they categorize speech critical of someone’s belief as being equivalent to imprisoning them.

That's how it works for these wackjobs. His freedom of speech matters when it comes to being intolerant, but your freedom of speech calling it out, now that's the real issue here

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Would you be saying the same thing if a player refused to wear a Black history month jersey, because he disagreed with their "lifestyle choices"?

No, and I think that’s a pretty disingenuous question for pretty obvious reasons. And if not, just think about it for like a minute.