Brad Treliving needs to go

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL. You honestly credit Feaster for Gaudreau? Feaster didn’t know who Gaudreau was until Tod Button told him and pushed super hard for him. He also drafted Sven the same year -wonderful, eh? Feaster also drafted Jankowski instead of Hertl, Wilson, Teravainen and Vasilevskiy.

Why not just give each GM credit for their body of work?

[Jiri Hrdina]

For those with an Athletic subscription Eric D has a pretty balanced overview, including contrasting the Flames and Flyers (as has been done here by others).

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How did the Flames get slower?

Coleman and Zadorov are better skaters than Gio and Ryan not to mention younger

Bottom players maybe IDK probably a wash

Um, how about the signings yesterday? Neither are great skaters.

As for Zadorov, he is not a great skater.... Gio is a quicker dman for sure


https://www.secondcityhockey.com/202...analysis-stats

"But Zadorov doesn’t have speed in his skating, so when he goes for a hit, he’s often separating himself from the play, and he isn’t as effective at separating the opposing player from the puck when throwing hits as one would like — something we used to see in a player like Andrew Shaw."

[Strange Brew]

The skating and speed thing seems like a wash. Gio didn’t play slow. Can Coleman and crew play faster than Bennett, Ryan et al? I don’t really know, doesn’t seem like it will be a big difference either way.

Sutter wasn’t thrilled with the conditioning last year so maybe that takes a jump forward.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For those with an Athletic subscription Eric D has a pretty balanced overview, including contrasting the Flames and Flyers (as has been done here by others).

For the life of me I can’t find the article…halp?

Ah is it the sweeping changes vs standing pat article?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For those with an Athletic subscription Eric D has a pretty balanced overview, including contrasting the Flames and Flyers (as has been done here by others).

Any chance for a summary?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

For the life of me I can’t find the article…halp?

Ah is it the sweeping changes vs standing pat article?

That's the one.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Any chance for a summary?

I don't like to copy and paste too much because frankly their subs are SO cheap that we should be collectively supporting them so a guy like Eric D continues to product content. I think I pay a couple bucks for my sub. It's nothing

But he touches on key points
- Sees this as Sutter exerting his influence
- Speculates that Sutter spent last season getting to know his team, and wonders if he ended up liking some of them more than the fan base
- Specifically talks about Monahan's awful season, and belief internally that hip surgery and a reduced role, playing down the depth chart, will help him make a meaningful contribution even if not with Johnny.

And I though this was an interesting point: "Sutter, for all of his old-school style and approach, understands one hockey lesson better than people give him credit for: Talent wins."

- Belief internally that Markstrom having a good year + full year of Sutter will make the Flames a "tough out"

But acknowledges if that back fires they are on the hot seat

Now go get yourself an Athletic subscription - the value is incredible. Not saying all the content is great, but there's enough good stuff for a few bucks.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Why not just give each GM credit for their body of work?

Even if you don't want to give credit to Feaster you should at least give him credit for hiring / having the right staff that drafted Gaudreau. Otherwise it is all a never ending speculation who gets credit for what and to what extent. Does Treliving get credit for drafting Tkachuk? Or the scouts. Etc.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Feaster for sure deserves credit for drafting Gaudreau as he would have either made the final call or created an environment where he let his scouts make the call. Either way, he gets the credit.

Which doesn't mean I think he was a good GM, but he should get the credit for the good stuff he did do.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Even if you don't want to give credit to Feaster you should at least give him credit for hiring / having the right staff that drafted Gaudreau. Otherwise it is all a never ending speculation who gets credit for what and to what extent. Does Treliving get credit for drafting Tkachuk? Or the scouts. Etc.

It was “having” and not “hiring” in that case. Tod Button has was there before and after. But it’s really not speculation about what happened in Gaudreau’s case. Feaster has said Tod ID’d him and pushed for him hard, and that Feaster went along with it because of that (and in fact he was nervous because they’d already drafted a small guy in Sven).

Tkachuk came courtesy of Vancouver.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Any chance for a summary?

Sutter must like Monahan and he will come back as a different better overall player under Sutter.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was “having” and not “hiring” in that case. Tod Button has was there before and after. But it’s really not speculation about what happened in Gaudreau’s case. Feaster has said Tod ID’d him and pushed for him hard, and that Feaster went along with it because of that (and in fact he was nervous because they’d already drafted a small guy in Sven).

Tkachuk came courtesy of Vancouver.

Wow, hard is this for you to understand?

Ultimately, it was Feaster who made the decision. It doesn't matter if someone pushed (encouraged) him because he was making the final call. There is a reason you have staff to support you but ultimately the decision falls on the person making the pick - in this case, it was Feaster. He could have easily turned around and not listed to Button too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flambers

Um, how about the signings yesterday? Neither are great skaters.

As for Zadorov, he is not a great skater.... Gio is a quicker dman for sure


https://www.secondcityhockey.com/202...analysis-stats

"But Zadorov doesn’t have speed in his skating, so when he goes for a hit, he’s often separating himself from the play, and he isn’t as effective at separating the opposing player from the puck when throwing hits as one would like — something we used to see in a player like Andrew Shaw."

6th and 7th dmen don't really factor in much considering they hardly play. Stone was here last season anyway.

Zadorov is faster than 38 year old Gio 100%. He skates well for his size. Some rando website says he can't skate but go watch the guy. Coleman also has decent wheels.

They aren't slower IMO

[neo45]

I think one of the most fireable blunders from Brad that doesn’t get enough negative attention is the fact that he inherited one of the best top pairings in the entire league and decided to break them up because of how they held their sticks

He had a right side that consisted of TJ Brodie and Dougie Hamilton with Adam Fox and Rasmus coming up and somehow decided that this was the area on the ice he needed to mortgage the future to address

Unbelievable level of incompetence. Talk about not even being able to evaluate your own team that you watch every night

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

6th and 7th dmen don't really factor in much considering they hardly play. Stone was here last season anyway.

Zadorov is faster than 38 year old Gio 100%. He skates well for his size. Coleman also has decent wheels.

They aren't slower IMO

Flames obviously felt they required size and nasty type of an attitude (Sutter influence for sure)

My guess the defense is slower, Coleman however will add speed

Will be interesting to see what happens when the Flames play a team that has really quick forwards.

[the_only_turek_fan]

BT deserves a lot of praise and criticism for a lot of things but the one thing that no one talks about that he has done really well is he has avoided signing the big albatross contract that a lot of teams have Ex. Ladd with NYI, Hyman with EDM, Suter/Parise with MIN.

We don't have a single player making more than 7M this upcoming season.

The cap management has been really good IMO.

Now I know it is going to change with JG and MT coming up, but so far he has kept the big contracts pretty reasonable.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

BT deserves a lot of praise and criticism for a lot of things but the one thing that no one talks about that he has done really well is he has avoided signing the big albatross contract that a lot of teams have Ex. Ladd with NYI, Hyman with EDM, Suter/Parise with MIN.

We don't have a single player making more than 7M this upcoming season.

The cap management has been really good IMO.

Now I know it is going to change with JG and MT coming up, but so far he has kept the big contracts pretty reasonable.

The real deal says ‘hi’

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Wow, hard is this for you to understand?

Ultimately, it was Feaster who made the decision. It doesn't matter if someone pushed (encouraged) him because he was making the final call. There is a reason you have staff to support you but ultimately the decision falls on the person making the pick - in this case, it was Feaster. He could have easily turned around and not listed to Button too.

He could have. But the premise is that Feaster > Treliving solely because he drafted Gaudreau. Implying that this was something he did on his own. Is there evidence Treliving ignores his staff’s advice on drafting? If not, drafting Gaudreau is not a point either way.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

BT deserves a lot of praise and criticism for a lot of things but the one thing that no one talks about that he has done really well is he has avoided signing the big albatross contract that a lot of teams have Ex. Ladd with NYI, Hyman with EDM, Suter/Parise with MIN.

We don't have a single player making more than 7M this upcoming season.

The cap management has been really good IMO.

Now I know it is going to change with JG and MT coming up, but so far he has kept the big contracts pretty reasonable.

Neal was an albatross, which he mitigated somewhat by trading for a guy who does something (still not at contract value but at least not a negative).