Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread 2

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I would argue that this is a result of being neighbors with the US and having a front row seat to their carnage vs any actual threats to Canadian schools. The only school shooting in Canada that would have cracked the US news was L'Ecole Polytechnique, and that was over 30 years ago

I struggle to think of any other than '99 Taber WR Meyers

[jayswin]

I think there was one in Saskatchewan with 4 dead or so. Maybe 10 years ago or so?

[jayswin]

And yeah 100%, shooting drills in schools and workplaces in Canada are because of the US shootings.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I would argue that this is a result of being neighbors with the US and having a front row seat to their carnage vs any actual threats to Canadian schools. The only school shooting in Canada that would have cracked the US news was L'Ecole Polytechnique, and that was over 30 years ago

Originally Posted by jayswin

And yeah 100%, shooting drills in schools and workplaces in Canada are because of the US shootings.

I don't diagree but that doesn't change the fact they are necessary here as well and not just isolated to the US, and that was my point. My kids had a lockdown in high school over a threat that fortunately turned out okay but it wasn't any less real, unnerving, and potentially threatening at the time.

[afc wimbledon]

I have to say a lockdown is not the same as active shooter drills, one is mildly entertaining one time event for the kids and a bit scary for the parents if they find out about it, the other is a permanent repetative fear inducing act of insanity that leaves the kids forever thinking they live in a dark scary world where they need to be constantly worried about being shot, it probably also leads to the same kids spending their lives thinking they need a gun to protect themselves form all the scary monsters out there and probably also plants the seeds in the less stable kids minds that a school shooting is a great way to get back at those jocks/prissy bitches that wont shag them/teachers that gave them a D/chinese/brown/black kids that are clearly the reason he's failing school etc

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

I don't diagree but that doesn't change the fact they are necessary here as well and not just isolated to the US, and that was my point. My kids had a lockdown in high school over a threat that fortunately turned out okay but it wasn't any less real, unnerving, and potentially threatening at the time.

As far as Canada goes, we are middle of the road when it comes to gun violence. Nowhere near the level of the U.S., but still higher than most other developed Western countries. Part of that is the easier access to illegal guns from the U.S., as well as a very similar cultural environment. Our less dense population and more restrictive laws are probably the only thing that separates us from them. Things are getting worse here in some areas though.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://twitter.com/user/status/1615446345732481030

I'm a gun owner, and find that perverse and disturbing.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

That's not unique to the US. My kids had regular drills in school as well (Calgary). And we've discussed active shooter scenarios at work as part of our ERP.

These piss me off to no end. The odds of someone coming in and shooting up a school in Canada are so low, that there is more damage done by creating unnecessary fear in kids.

If they want to allocate time to trying to preserve the lives of kids, they should spend it on bullying and suicide education.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

These piss me off to no end. The odds of someone coming in and shooting up a school in Canada are so low, that there is more damage done by creating unnecessary fear in kids.

If they want to allocate time to trying to preserve the lives of kids, they should spend it on bullying and suicide education.

There is more than one type of lockdown and 'a shooter' is not the only reason for them. There are 'inside only' "lockdowns" in which the students are not allowed outside but can roam freely about inside of the school. I can think of three of such that happened in Calgary in the last year, and all three for different reasons.

The 'active shooter' type of lockdown, in which everyone is locked into their classroom or the classroom they are closest to also has applications outside of 'just' an active shooter. More often than not it's because an angry/emotional parent is inside of the school and has been refused access to their child, so they go classroom to classroom to try to find their kid. (4x in the last year I can think of). Sometimes it's because a 'stranger' who appears to be high or drunk and/or has no apparent reason to be in the school has wandered in and can't be found (2x). There are also other weapons that people can bring into schools that aren't guns (3x) but you don't want them interacting with other students.

There are situations, beyond an 'active shooter' in which it's very helpful to have everyone who's supposed to be in the building located and accounted for and not moving around. It is helpful to practice these kinds of things, just like a business should be practicing fire drills, emergency plans and the like to see just how capable they are of doing them when actually needed.

As I often say, "During an emergency is not the time to be dusting off the emergency plan manual and reading it for the first time."

[Snuffleupagus]

At least 9 dead at Monterey dance club shooting

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-mass-shooting

[Tsawwassen]

Ugh, it is now 10 dead.

"Videos posted on social media showed people being loaded onto stretchers and placed into ambulances.
Other photos showed bloodied and bandaged victims being treated by Monterey Park firefighters in a parking lot."
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...13183c3861f65f

[Tsawwassen]

We know what will be said, thoughts and prayers.

[sharkov]

Americans are the problem not guns

[oldschoolcalgary]

hoping its not racially motivated...

Trump and the GOP have done their best to vilify the Asian community during covid, leading to all kinds of anti-asian violence...

Sad to see.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The suspect is an Asian male. Still on the loose but they released some pictures of him.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The suspect is an Asian male. Still on the loose but they released some pictures of him.

its sad thing when that news is a source of some comfort...

but glad to hear it wasn't a racially motivated shooting...

lots of cameras at the scene of a white van surrounded by SWAT teams right now on CNN

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Rumors on twitter that the suspect was inside the van and found dead, but nothing confirmed yet. From CNN's site:

The standoff in Torrance, California, involving a white cargo van, which fit the description of a vehicle of interest from Saturday night's shooting in Monterey Park, is over, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Special Enforcement Bureau (SEB) tweeted.

“SEB SWAT operation for an armed suspect in Torrance has concluded. Neighborhood safe," the bureau said.

No additional information was provided.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by sharkov

Americans are the problem not guns

Can't paint everyone with the same brush man, America has over 500 million guns with little restrictions, put 60 million guns on the streets of Canada we would have the same problems.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Can't paint everyone with the same brush man, America has over 500 million guns with little restrictions, put 60 million guns on the streets of Canada we would have the same problems.

Uhh...I dont entirely disagree but I'd wager that the reality would lie somewhere in the middle.

If you flooded Canada with guns we would have some problems, I'd agree with that.

However we also dont have 200+ years of the same sort of baked in 'Gun Culture' flowing through our veins.

Thats a societal implication that we do not share, so I'd disagree that we would experience the exact same problems.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Locke

Uhh...I dont entirely disagree but I'd wager that the reality would lie somewhere in the middle.

If you flooded Canada with guns we would have some problems, I'd agree with that.

However we also dont have 200+ years of the same sort of baked in 'Gun Culture' flowing through our veins.

Thats a societal implication that we do not share, so I'd disagree that we would experience the exact same problems.

Plus we've had pretty good gun laws since the early '90s (Until they got a little over the top recently, but that's a different thread)

Canada is still top 10 in the world for guns per capita, this is 100% a culture thing in the US