07-31-2019, 09:25 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Avs sign Samuel Girard to 7 year extension starting in 2020 ($5 mil AAV)
https://www.nhl.com/avalanche/news/a...rd/c-308401506
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The Colorado Avalanche Hockey Club announced today that the team has signed defenseman Samuel Girard to a seven-year contract extension through the 2026-27 season.
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07-31-2019, 09:30 AM
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First round-bust
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This will be a steal of a deal by the end of it, I'm sure.
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07-31-2019, 09:33 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Mike Chambers @MikeChambers
$35 million deal/$5 AAV
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07-31-2019, 09:35 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Mike Chambers @MikeChambers
$35 million deal/$5 AAV
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Okay, I get the logic. He's doing a David Poile, but still paying what he expects him to be at the end rather than what he is now. Poile would have him playing for $3-4 million.
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07-31-2019, 09:36 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I wonder if the Flames should consider the early extension on Rasmus? Maybe 7 years around 4.25?
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07-31-2019, 09:37 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
I wonder if the Flames should consider the early extension on Rasmus? Maybe 7 years around 4.25?
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Yes that would be awesome!
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07-31-2019, 09:38 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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$5M for Girard is a phenomenal deal.
Risk right now, but that guy is a very solid option back there and $5M is an absolute steal for what he brings.
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07-31-2019, 09:52 AM
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Franchise Player
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That's 1 of 3. If they can get long term deals for Makar and Byram when their ELCs are up, that should set them up on defense for their Mackinnon years.
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07-31-2019, 10:08 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Okay, I get the logic. He's doing a David Poile, but still paying what he expects him to be at the end rather than what he is now. Poile would have him playing for $3-4 million.
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isn't Girard already in their top 4? Seems like decent value already?
Also, Sakic acquired Girard from Poile for a boat anchor. Seems like advantage:Sakic
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07-31-2019, 10:44 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Okay, I get the logic. He's doing a David Poile, but still paying what he expects him to be at the end rather than what he is now. Poile would have him playing for $3-4 million.
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Calgary did this exact thing with Hanifin and Lindholm last year. It's a great risk to take.
I'd argue Girard used Hanifin's deal to structure his.
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07-31-2019, 11:03 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
I wonder if the Flames should consider the early extension on Rasmus? Maybe 7 years around 4.25?
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It is something that they should be considering. I do worry about guys with past conditioning issues such as Andersson getting a little lazy once they get that big deal but I consider him a natural as he does everything well.
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07-31-2019, 11:21 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Okay, I get the logic. He's doing a David Poile, but still paying what he expects him to be at the end rather than what he is now. Poile would have him playing for $3-4 million.
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Zero chance Girard would sign for 3-4 million lol. I thought he was the Avs second best defenseman in the playoffs even with missing time to injury.
I recently saw he was literally the best defenseman in the league at defensive zone exits this past season and I'm not surprised, the guy's a stud.
That Avalanche defense core is incredibly enviable.
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07-31-2019, 05:13 PM
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First Line Centre
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I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is nuts.
I get it with the way contracts are going these days but seems like an overpay for a guy with: 150gp, 8G, 42A, 50Pts over essentially 2 seasons of work.
How is that not crazy?
The NHL is getting ridiculous with 2nd contracts for RFA's after their ELC's expire.
How can the middle class player survive this trend of 21year olds and superstars all making boatloads?
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07-31-2019, 05:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is nuts.
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For comparison, Esa Lindell just signed for a 5.8M AAV cap hit. Now, that's a bad deal, but Girard is a significantly better player making less money for longer (though granted, Lindell is 24):
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07-31-2019, 05:32 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is nuts.
I get it with the way contracts are going these days but seems like an overpay for a guy with: 150gp, 8G, 42A, 50Pts over essentially 2 seasons of work.
How is that not crazy?
The NHL is getting ridiculous with 2nd contracts for RFA's after their ELC's expire.
How can the middle class player survive this trend of 21year olds and superstars all making boatloads?
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Everything will find a way. There's a cap and over the years trends will change on where to emphasize that cap space based on success and lack of success from various teams. It's trending towards paying young, star and potential star players. Maybe it shifts back a bit if enough potential stars start busting.
Right now, it's 28+ contracts that are backfiring, so they're trending out. Young stars get paid, middling players getting paid less than before, no big deal.
The middle class getting squeezed out in real life is important and likely to become catastrophic in the western world in the coming decades. The middle class getting squeezed out in the NHL means professional athletes that aren't stars will get less money.
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07-31-2019, 05:33 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
For comparison, Esa Lindell just signed for a 5.8M AAV cap hit. Now, that's a bad deal, but Girard is a significantly better player making less money for longer (though granted, Lindell is 24):
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But Girard only has 2 years of work on his resume. A 20pt and 27pt season.
That doesnt scream $5m for 7 years to me.
But whatevs.
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08-01-2019, 02:26 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
But Girard only has 2 years of work on his resume. A 20pt and 27pt season.
That doesnt scream $5m for 7 years to me.
But whatevs.
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Hockey people don’t judge defensemen strictly based on offensive numbers.
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08-01-2019, 05:33 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Hockey people don’t judge defensemen strictly based on offensive numbers.
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Niether am I.
I'm saying his body of work is minimal. He barely has a full season under his belt.
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08-01-2019, 06:30 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
For comparison, Esa Lindell just signed for a 5.8M AAV cap hit. Now, that's a bad deal, but Girard is a significantly better player making less money for longer (though granted, Lindell is 24):
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I don’t think you understand just how good Essa Lindell is. The kid is already a top pairing defensemen. He was playing 27 minutes a night in the playoffs and nearly got the stars into round three and past the eventual cup champions..He is currently significantly better than Girard and it’s not all that close. Girard didn’t even average 20 minutes a game this past year while Lindell was playing 24+
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08-01-2019, 07:13 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Niether am I.
I'm saying his body of work is minimal. He barely has a full season under his belt.
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He has a lot of potential, and will likely improve. Even if he doesn't, and remains a top-4 30 point Dman, that is worth $5M in today's NHL.
If he continues to improve and becomes a 40-50 point top-4 Dman, this will be an absolute steal.
Remember he's only 21.
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