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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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16.80% |
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Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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30.35% |
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Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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28.81% |
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Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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16.49% |
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Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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07-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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#221
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
The thing for Lucic should be to know that there is no way he will be selected in the expansion draft anyway. Whether he waives or not, the result will be the same for him.
Waiving, however, does a favour for the team he plays for.
Hopefully both parties realize this.
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We would probably have to offer up some picks or prospects for Seattle to take him but at least we probably won’t have to worry about him refusing to waive.
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07-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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#222
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Yep this is it for me. Treliving's new worst move. Unreal.
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More like unNeal.
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07-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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#223
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Lifetime Suspension
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great trade. good deal for both teams
cant wait till oct
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07-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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#224
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Originally Posted by getbak
Same term remaining on both, four more years.
Lucic cap hit is $250,000 more, but it sounds like the Oilers are retaining at least that much, so it will actually cost the Flames less.
Lucic has a full NMC for all four years and a limited NTC for the final two seasons, but we'll see what happens with those. Knowing what we know of Treliving's opinion of NMCs, you'd have to think he'd want Lucic to waive it permanently, if possible.
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I don't think Lucic is going to let himself be in a position to go to the AHL.
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07-19-2019, 02:12 PM
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#225
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If Lucic can punch Neal and Smith at the same time, I'll be happy.
Stupid !@#$ing Neal jersey. You get donated this weekend.
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07-19-2019, 02:13 PM
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#226
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I do have to laugh at Neal telling Smith to try and make an effing save is Oiler sweaters.
I love the message it send too. Under-perform and you go to Edmonton.
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07-19-2019, 02:13 PM
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#227
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Tkachuk and a motivated Lucic on the same team is...terrifying.
Looks like the relationship between Neal and Flames was irreconcilable. I thought it made more sense to keep him and bank on a return to form rather than a garbage for garbage trade, but I'm speculating that the fracture was too deep.
Trying to be positive, but it's hard. I think Lucic's personality and toolset are what the Flames covet, and Neal seemed to sulk and accept his downfall.
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07-19-2019, 02:14 PM
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#228
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Rumours of Neals attitude and poor relationship with Peters must have been true if they're willing to stoop this low to move him out
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#229
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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lol, what a gift on a Friday
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#230
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Well, Lucic had one less goal and one more point than Neal. Lucic had generally worse linemates. Neal had fewer games. Production wise IMO it's a wash. Same age.
I've heard a rumour from a fairly decent source about off ice issues for Neal, so there might be additional factors.
Plus, like I said above, the contractual details are key here.
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#231
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Lucic is awful. Curious what happens next with him.
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#232
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach
Lucic is awful. Curious what happens next with him.
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He plays 14 minutes a night for the Flames next season.
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
The thing for Lucic should be to know that there is no way he will be selected in the expansion draft anyway. Whether he waives or not, the result will be the same for him.
Waiving, however, does a favour for the team he plays for.
Hopefully both parties realize this.
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Lucic should waive his NMC - when the expansion draft comes, it's not like he's going to get selected. He's old now, he'll be older then, and he'll be expensive. Why does Seattle take him?
Vegas has been a contender right out of the gate because they selected good players and not everyone else's misfit toys.
Like, Anaheim had to lose Theodore because Bieksa had a NMC. Vegas was never taking Kevin Bieksa because he had stopped being any good. He should have waived.
If Lucic wants some sort of no trade protections, fine. But he has to be coming here agreeing in Advance to waive for the expansion or this is bordering on a fireable offense. And I say that as someone who loves Tre's work.
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#234
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
lol, what a gift on a Friday
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A person can drink tonight and not worry about work tomorrow. I agree.
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07-19-2019, 02:15 PM
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#235
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Powerplay Quarterback
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At least Lucic has his real teeth. That's all I've got.
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07-19-2019, 02:16 PM
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#236
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Yin Yang Theory:
When Neal was signed last year, we all cheered "YAY!" and were then promptly disappointed.
With Lucic's arrival, we all say "BOOOO!" but then were pleasantly surprised.
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07-19-2019, 02:16 PM
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#237
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
Friedman just said he thinks its $600,000 retained.
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$600,000 means the Flames save 375,000 in cap hit.
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07-19-2019, 02:16 PM
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#238
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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No wonder they leaked the arena deal news today lol trying to keep us all even keel
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07-19-2019, 02:16 PM
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#239
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
Friedman just said he thinks its $600,000 retained.
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a. That jibes with the poster who said he heard 10%.
b. Yuck.
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07-19-2019, 02:16 PM
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#240
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamer
Tkachuk and a motivated Lucic on the same team is...terrifying.
Looks like the relationship between Neal and Flames was irreconcilable. I thought it made more sense to keep him and bank on a return to form rather than a garbage for garbage trade, but I'm speculating that the fracture was too deep.
Trying to be positive, but it's hard. I think Lucic's personality and toolset are what the Flames covet, and Neal seemed to sulk and accept his downfall.
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Why do you think that? I can't figure out why that is terrifying. A motivated Lucic isn't really going to scare anyone at this point.
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