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Old 04-03-2022, 09:59 PM   #1041
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This might help, but its a bunch of guesses really.


https://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html


Just in terms of sheer fleet sizes, the Empire probably outnumbers the Federation at least 10-1, but the size of the Federation is a rounding error compared to the Empire.


I'm sure as many people have stated that the Federation technology is better then the Empires. Who knows, the Star Trek universe is based around lavishly describing the technology. The Star Wars story telling really doesn't talk about the capabilities of ships and weapons, its not as important. So we really can only guess at how powerful an Imperial Star Destroyer is.


I think the one thing to think about. The Empire is Military Organization, its designed to fight wars, its soldiers and ships are considered to be disposable and the Empire has no fear in using terror weapons like the Death Star and other extreme weapons.



Also in terms of sheer troops, the Empire would literally kill the Federation in terms of the ability to take and occupy planets, and because of their fleet size be every where at once.



You can argue that the Empire lost to a much smaller Rebellion in a humiliating manner. But if the Empire had a problem in that war, is that they were fighting a insurgency that really had no population base, or planets they called home. We saw what happened when they did.



Star Fleet would have to defend their population bases, which the Empire would have no moral issue in attacking and inflicting massive casualties, or even mass bombarding them.
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I know, its such a nit pick, but it drives me crazy, when you have a massive Starship, crewed by 400 men and woman, and it maneuver's like a fighter jet.
In TOS to TNG, the ships moved like giant lumbering freighters but I think that's due to the limitation of the having to film the giant physical models.

Once you got to DS9 and Voyager and they incorporated CGI, ships all became dogfighters.

If anything, my nitpick is that they all operate like Khan - with 2-dimensional thinking. All space battles take place on the same 2D plane and all the ships, despite having weapons that can fire at tremendous distances, all decide they need to park next to each other in a big fight so they can collide with each other dramatically. They also fight like WWII fighter planes with forward momentum only, nothing like the zero-g maneuvers of Babylon 5 spaceships.
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I worded that completely wrong. I meant size of the ships in their respective fleets. Like a Star Destroyer next to a Galaxy Class Starship or X-Wing next to a shuttlecraft.
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Old 04-03-2022, 11:04 PM   #1044
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I worded that completely wrong. I meant size of the ships in their respective fleets. Like a Star Destroyer next to a Galaxy Class Starship or X-Wing next to a shuttlecraft.
On this page, near the bottom, it has the General Sci-Fi comparisons: https://www.st-minutiae.com/resource...son/index.html

The largest thing it shows is V'ger, which it has at 78km long. The first Death Star was 120km in diameter and the second was 160km in diameter. So, the second Death Star was twice as wide as V'ger was long.
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On this page, near the bottom, it has the General Sci-Fi comparisons: https://www.st-minutiae.com/resource...son/index.html

The largest thing it shows is V'ger, which it has at 78km long. The first Death Star was 120km in diameter and the second was 160km in diameter. So, the second Death Star was twice as wide as V'ger was long.

That’s exactly what I was looking for . Looks like the scale of SW ships and ST ships are wildly different.
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In TOS to TNG, the ships moved like giant lumbering freighters but I think that's due to the limitation of the having to film the giant physical models.

Once you got to DS9 and Voyager and they incorporated CGI, ships all became dogfighters.

If anything, my nitpick is that they all operate like Khan - with 2-dimensional thinking. All space battles take place on the same 2D plane and all the ships, despite having weapons that can fire at tremendous distances, all decide they need to park next to each other in a big fight so they can collide with each other dramatically. They also fight like WWII fighter planes with forward momentum only, nothing like the zero-g maneuvers of Babylon 5 spaceships.

The Enterprise seemed to shift between fast and nimble (Best of Both Worlds) and slow and cumbersome to manuever (Cause and Effect). Klingon, Romulan, and Ferrengi ships from the TNG era looked much more battle capable though. Something about Starfleet ships just looked slow.
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I worded that completely wrong. I meant size of the ships in their respective fleets. Like a Star Destroyer next to a Galaxy Class Starship or X-Wing next to a shuttlecraft.
There are several videos like this on Youtube.



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https://www.engadget.com/star-trek-m...150018799.html

The best Star Trek movie ever, now in 4k! Woooo!


Reading the article, they actually re-did many things. Looks much better.
So....we doing this or what? How long is this baby?

In beautiful 4K no less! Now we're really going to be able to make out Shatner's girdle and the glue holding his hairpiece on.

Those Klingon Battle Cruisers flying into an evil cloud are going to looks so cool...

I've got my ST: TMP Director's Edition and my handy cyanide pill.
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Seems strange to announce this while season 2 is only halfway through...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1511402341378920448
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Star Trek:TNG...still going!
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I don't think Spiner's going to play Data though.
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I still remember an interview a bunch of years ago with the cast members after first contact when Generations became the Picard and Data show where they talked about having little to do but collect their paychecks.
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Seems strange to announce this while season 2 is only halfway through...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1511402341378920448
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And maybe if they tie Kurtzman to a chair and beat him with socks full of soap maybe some competent writers could make this something good and fun.

Or its STD2.
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No O'Brien or Barclay, I'm out!
They're the surprise guests! They're luring you in with the big cast names that they cant keep secret and then they hit with you O'Brien and Garak!
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I fully expect Sela to be the villain.
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If she appears and Wil Wheaton does not...
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