What is Daniil Miromanov?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Imagine how sad your life has to be to obsess over such things. CP has a growing cohort. I don't even know who this Wastedyouth person is...

Probably less sad than finding yourself in a situation where your ego is so fragile that you make multi-post rants painting yourself as a victim because your opinion about a hockey player was corrected and get an ego boost from anyone just remembering who you are even if it was remembering the fact that you regularly hold dumb opinions. Imagine how sad THAT would be.

You didn’t even understand DZS% so people rightly corrected you, and you made something up about the Flames starting in the DZ more often so you were corrected on that, too.

It’s OK to be wrong. It doesn’t mean everyone is out to get you little guy. The ego is going to be just fine if the stuff you pull out of thin air gets corrected. You’ll be OK.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Which data point was that? That he was "relatively sheltered"? My data point was he saw almost no time shorthanded, averaging 3 seconds a game. I posit there is some subjectivity to "relatively sheltered". But some claim there is an official NHL definition that exists somewhere maybe.

Dude man, just take the L. Not playing shorthanded means being sheltered is a weak argument when all his other 5 on 5 stats show otherwise. Seems like your mind is already made up regardless of facts and stats proving you wrong. So is there even any more point in providing further stats that refute your argument? It doesn't seem like you are open to changing your mind once you are dead set on it.

[BigThief]

Don't take the L cannon, dig in!

[Wastedyouth]

cannon7 I will ABSOLUTELY be your friend!

Thanks for the request!

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

cannon7 I will ABSOLUTELY be your friend!

Thanks for the request!

Can you believe PepsiFree turned me down?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Probably less sad than finding yourself in a situation where your ego is so fragile that you make multi-post rants painting yourself as a victim because your opinion about a hockey player was corrected and get an ego boost from anyone just remembering who you are even if it was remembering the fact that you regularly hold dumb opinions. Imagine how sad THAT would be.

When I'm forcing myself into every little disagreement of yours you might have a leg to stand on here. Let alone remembering every little detail. But don't stop rattling off the hits.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

made something up about the Flames starting in the DZ more often so you were corrected on that, too.

Still waiting on that citation, diabetic bro.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Don't take the L cannon, dig in!

We all know I have a Miromanov agenda.

[D as in David]

This thread...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

When I'm forcing myself into every little disagreement of yours you might have a leg to stand on here. Let alone remembering every little detail. But don't stop rattling off the hits.



Still waiting on that citation, diabetic bro.

A leg to stand on where? You get an ego boost from me just remembering who you are and seem blown away by the concept of people remembering the conversation the conversation you’re in with them. You epitomize the struggle lol.

The citation is the stats page on NHL.com. Didn’t think I needed to cite easy to find, basic information, but hey… you’re trying, and that’s important.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A leg to stand on where? You get an ego boost from me just remembering who you are and seem blown away by the concept of people remembering the conversation the conversation you’re in with them. You epitomize the struggle lol.

Yes, some random nobody remembering me on an internet forum months or years after the fact is pretty mind blowing. Fully agree.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The citation is the stats page on NHL.com. Didn’t think I needed to cite easy to find, basic information, but hey… you’re trying, and that’s important.

That's what I thought. Full of it as usual.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yes, some random nobody remembering me on an internet forum months or years after the fact is pretty mind blowing. Fully agree.

That's what I thought. Full of it as usual.

Out of curiosity, where was your source or citation for this "stat"?

If your team is spending a majority of its time in the defensive zone (which the Flames were late in the season)...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yes, some random nobody remembering me on an internet forum months or years after the fact is pretty mind blowing. Fully agree.



That's what I thought. Full of it as usual.

Miro was traded to us less than two months ago, it’s not really hard to remember conversations you had in March in… you know… April… unless you have a health issue that prevents it. But if you’re saying this is “years” old, maybe you’re the one a little obsessed, huh? What was our interaction years ago that has you so upset little dude?

And yes, the stats page on NHL.com is full of “it,” if you mean full of the stats I shared. Do you need me to explain how the website works or is there an adult that can help you in person?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And yes, the stats page on NHL.com is full of “it,” if you mean full of the stats I shared. Do you need me to explain how the website works or is there an adult that can help you in person?

Ok, since you're either too lazy or a liar, let me do it for you.
1. I go to https://nhl.com/stats and click "Teams"
2. This takes me to https://nhl.com/stats/teams and I select the "By Season" tab
3. I then enter a date range of March 9 to April 18, or the time period Miromanov played on the Flames
4. I then select "Calgary Flames" as the franchise
5. Then I iterate through all the "Report" types

And what do I find? Not one of them has DZS% or OZS% in them.

But wait, your claim was...

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Except the actual stats don’t show a team starting more in the defensive zone than usual down the stretch, they show a team that stayed around average overall, with Miromanov and Weegar’s defensive zone starts increasing over the last 20 games while everyone else’s decreased.

March was statistically their second lowest defensive zone starts over the course of the season, while April right in the middle. January and October were the two highest.

So how did you arrive at this?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So, none of what you’re talking about is actually based on anything real, as usual.

Oh the irony.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Ok, since you're either too lazy or a liar, let me do it for you.
1. I go to https://nhl.com/stats and click "Teams"
2. This takes me to https://nhl.com/stats/teams and I select the "By Season" tab
3. I then enter a date range of March 9 to April 18, or the time period Miromanov played on the Flames
4. I then select "Calgary Flames" as the franchise
5. Then I iterate through all the "Report" types

And what do I find? Not one of them has DZS% or OZS% in them.

But wait, your claim was...



So how did you arrive at this?



Oh the irony.

Lol, OZ% (or percentage of shifts started in the Offensive zone) is under both possession and SAT%'s tab under reports, you goof.

You'll find at 5v5 he has one of the lowest offensive zone starts on the team, but you also find he has some of the best shot rates for and against also, having not started as much as many others in the Ozone.

What else you got?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Ok, since you're either too lazy or a liar, let me do it for you.
1. I go to https://nhl.com/stats and click "Teams"
2. This takes me to https://nhl.com/stats/teams and I select the "By Season" tab
3. I then enter a date range of March 9 to April 18, or the time period Miromanov played on the Flames
4. I then select "Calgary Flames" as the franchise
5. Then I iterate through all the "Report" types

And what do I find? Not one of them has DZS% or OZS% in them.

But wait, your claim was...

So how did you arrive at this?

Oh the irony.

Still waiting to hear how you arrived at the Flames spending the majority of the time in the defensive zone post trade deadline, which is the claim you made. Citation please.

[BigFlameDog]

I like him and think/hope he turns into something. Some are probably thrown off by his skating but lets see how he looks after some more recovery time and time with Danielle Fujita.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I like him and think/hope he turns into something. Some are probably thrown off by his skating but lets see how he looks after some more recovery time and time with Danielle Fujita.

There's a lot to like about the player considering he was a bit of an afterthought in comparison to what is looking like a first and second round pick return in the deal.

This team needs to take some risks in terms of trying to find high end talent whether in the draft or via trade. If Miromanov turns into a #4 that can flirt with 10-12G and 17-20min a night (which is seeming like it is certainly possible), that is massive.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Ok, since you're either too lazy or a liar, let me do it for you.
1. I go to https://nhl.com/stats and click "Teams"
2. This takes me to https://nhl.com/stats/teams and I select the "By Season" tab
3. I then enter a date range of March 9 to April 18, or the time period Miromanov played on the Flames
4. I then select "Calgary Flames" as the franchise
5. Then I iterate through all the "Report" types

And what do I find? Not one of them has DZS% or OZS% in them.

But wait, your claim was...



So how did you arrive at this?



Oh the irony.

It’s not ironic, I’m just not as big of a luddite.

If you had actually looked at the Faceoffs wins and losses tab, you would’ve seen that they have total faceoffs, offensive zone faceoffs, and defensive zone faceoffs (among other stats). Now, I don’t want to blow your mind here, but by looking at the percentage of total faceoffs that were defensive zone faceoffs you get… that’s right… DZS%

Congrats big boy! You’re learning!

Care to share your answer to this with the class? Or are you just a “liar”?:

Originally Posted by Groot

Still waiting to hear how you arrived at the Flames spending the majority of the time in the defensive zone post trade deadline, which is the claim you made. Citation please.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

There's a lot to like about the player considering he was a bit of an afterthought in comparison to what is looking like a first and second round pick return in the deal.

This team needs to take some risks in terms of trying to find high end talent whether in the draft or via trade. If Miromanov turns into a #4 that can flirt with 10-12G and 17-20min a night (which is seeming like it is certainly possible), that is massive.

Yeah trade could go from ...

Protected 1st rounder in '25
3rd round pick
Throw in

To ...

Unprotected 1st rounder in '26
2nd round pick
4/5 defenseman moving forward

Huge swing (pick isn't assured, but Vegas up 2-0)

[Kipper_3434]

99% of CP: "+/- is a useless stat because of too many factors can skew the results"

The same 99%: "here's 11 different advanced stats, with only 20 games of data, that PROVE my interpretation of a player"

The other 1%: "only an oilers fan would disagree with my opinion"