Let's Talk about the Calgary Police Service

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

A woman was shot and killed this morning by the police. Not going to jump to conclusions since no idea what happened but all I can say is that's a lot of shootings this year by the police.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/...thwest-calgary

A woman was shot and killed by a Calgary police officer in the city’s Sunalta neighbourhood early Tuesday morning.

Sources told Postmedia a junior female officer opened fire on a woman who was acting aggressively and erratically with one or more knives on her.

Story contains a big of an overview of the shootings this year, which it says is nine times, this morning makes 10.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Not going to jump to conclusions since no idea what happened but all I can say is that's a lot of shootings this year by the police.

Not counting this morning's incident:

9 shootings
4 fatalities

1 had a gun (and was shooting indiscriminately about)
1 had what turned out to be a fake/antique handgun
1 had a machete (attacking an officer with it)
1 had a butcher knife (had attacked another man with it)
5 had vehicles, and tried to run over or dragged police officers

2 of the fatalities were in vehicles, 2 were not
3 of the shootings were non-injury.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3800554

[Locke]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Not counting this morning's incident:

9 shootings
4 fatalities

1 had a gun (and was shooting indiscriminately about)
1 had what turned out to be a fake/antique handgun
1 had a machete (attacking an officer with it)
1 had a butcher knife (had attacked another man with it)
5 had vehicles, and tried to run over or dragged police officers

2 of the fatalities were in vehicles, 2 were not
3 of the shootings were non-injury.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3800554

I dont care what anyone says, I support the cop who shot the dude with the machete 1000%.

If someone comes at you like a maniac with a machete I dont believe anyone can give you crap for shooting him.

[CliffFletcher]

This is why it's tough to get context on the subject. Police shootings of civilians get a lot of media attention. Meanwhile, the rising incidence of violent and armed crime on the streets, many of which are below the threshold of newsworthiness, collectively add up to a more dangerous environment on the streets.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Not counting this morning's incident:

9 shootings
4 fatalities

1 had a gun (and was shooting indiscriminately about)
1 had what turned out to be a fake/antique handgun
1 had a machete (attacking an officer with it)
1 had a butcher knife (had attacked another man with it)
5 had vehicles, and tried to run over or dragged police officers

2 of the fatalities were in vehicles, 2 were not
3 of the shootings were non-injury.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3800554

So basically it is an increase in people violently interacting with police and forcing them to use deadly force to protect themselves and the public. ASIRT will find each of these cases justified the use of deadly force

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Not counting this morning's incident:

9 shootings
4 fatalities

1 had a gun (and was shooting indiscriminately about)
1 had what turned out to be a fake/antique handgun
1 had a machete (attacking an officer with it)
1 had a butcher knife (had attacked another man with it)
5 had vehicles, and tried to run over or dragged police officers

2 of the fatalities were in vehicles, 2 were not
3 of the shootings were non-injury.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3800554

This is great thank you.

It is like I posted earlier in the thread. I wonder what percentage of CPS interactions with the population is "negative".

[GGG]

^^^ Does getting a ticket count?

I swear in general the perception of police being negative is that they can be moralist dicks when giving a ticket.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Not counting this morning's incident:

9 shootings
4 fatalities

1 had a gun (and was shooting indiscriminately about)
1 had what turned out to be a fake/antique handgun
1 had a machete (attacking an officer with it)
1 had a butcher knife (had attacked another man with it)
5 had vehicles, and tried to run over or dragged police officers

2 of the fatalities were in vehicles, 2 were not
3 of the shootings were non-injury.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3800554

Which is a lot of shootings.....

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Which is a lot of shootings.....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...2016-1.3866486

By a sizable margin.

Calgary police officers have shot and either killed or injured more civilians than officers in any other Canadian city in 2016, according to statistics gathered by CBC News.

Here's a breakdown of officer-involved shootings in various Canadian cities:

Calgary - 10 (5 fatal)
Toronto - 6 (3 fatal)
Vancouver - 2 (1 fatal)
Ottawa - 0
Edmonton - 0
Winnipeg - 0
Regina - 0
Halifax - 0

With 10 officer-involved shootings — including five fatalities — so far this year, Calgary police say they are reviewing their policies and training.

"I'm very pleased they are going to be looking at it to see if there are things that could be done differently or could be done better," said Susan Hughson, executive director of the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT).

This is a good thing. I think the new chief has a lot of hard work coming his way.

But a criminologist from Mount Royal University is defending Calgary officers.

"A lot of people are saying 'it's a culture of Calgary police service shooting first, asking questions second,'" said Doug King.

"There's no evidence of that. My hunch is this isn't a training issue ... police officers in Calgary are being confronted with more incredibly dangerous situations," he said.

Police attributed some of this year's shootings to an increase in vehicle thefts and the city's opioid crisis.

"It's a question we talk about almost daily," said Supt. James Hardy. "We're looking at doing different training so there's a whole number of pieces in play here."

Four of Calgary's shootings in 2016 were related to stolen vehicles.

Hughson says even when an officer does not face criminal charges following a shooting, that doesn't mean that it was the best way to deal with the situation.

"There's a difference between an unlawful act and one that could have been done better."

[calgaryblood]

Edmonton has 0? How is that even possible. I have zero doubt some were justified and some could have been handled better.

[calgarywinning]

Time to send CPS management to Disney so they can be warmer and fuzzier when facing down armed civilians.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Edmonton has 0? How is that even possible. I have zero doubt some were justified and some could have been handled better.

Since there is zero doubt, which ones could have been handled better? And how should they have been handled?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Edmonton has 0? How is that even possible.

Some cities in Canada have '0' becuase they "don't keep statistics on that kind of information", so it's not generally available to be had. Kinda like Montreal, which 'doesn't keep those kind of statistics', but a search of the news indicated 3 shootings with 1 fatality.

I have zero doubt some were justified and some could have been handled better.

Which is pretty much how most things in life are, really...

Shooting numbers

One could argue that Calgary's been hardest hit longest by the economic downturn, fueling a lot of desperate acts that people normally wouldn't do, while also emboldening it's criminal element.

[GGG]

There is likely an opportunity to improve officer safety by adjusting their approach to stolen vehicles. Hopefully they look at methods to avoid putting themselves in positions to be run over/dragged.

My theory on most police shootings is that while they are justified the moment the shooting happened the factors leading up to the shooting may have been preventable. I hope that these investigations can identify commonalities and adjust training to avoid getting to the situation where a shooting is justified.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Edmonton has 0? How is that even possible. I have zero doubt some were justified and some could have been handled better.

Well...they do have about 300,000 fewer people.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by GGG

There is likely an opportunity to improve officer safety by adjusting their approach to stolen vehicles. Hopefully they look at methods to avoid putting themselves in positions to be run over/dragged.

My theory on most police shootings is that while they are justified the moment the shooting happened the factors leading up to the shooting may have been preventable. I hope that these investigations can identify commonalities and adjust training to avoid getting to the situation where a shooting is justified.

IMO I would think most of these stolen vehicle deaths are from career criminals who are trying to go GTA and get away from the police. I don't know what much can be done that is going to change the mindset of the person as it seems they are willing to do whatever they can to get away.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Since there is zero doubt, which ones could have been handled better? And how should they have been handled?

For one, not Persuing a desperate man in a stolen vehicle in a dark alley with zero backup other than your partner.

And not beating that man while he was already shot is maybe something they could do better.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Robbob

IMO I would think most of these stolen vehicle deaths are from career criminals who are trying to go GTA and get away from the police. I don't know what much can be done that is going to change the mindset of the person as it seems they are willing to do whatever they can to get away.

You don't intervene, follow with a chopper until they leave the vehicle. There is definitely a trade off between risk to the public and risk to the officers.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by GGG

You don't intervene, follow with a chopper until they leave the vehicle. There is definitely a trade off between risk to the public and risk to the officers.

I agree, but easier said then done when they are approached and the criminals first reaction is too gun it over the officer.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Time to send CPS management to Disney so they can be warmer and fuzzier when facing down armed civilians.

What the hell does this even mean?