I want to see some Bran screen time tomorrow. His storyline has been stalling for some time now. It's about time he and his newfound knowledge factored into the larger plot.
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Bran and Howland Reed (assuming he's still kicking around somewhere) are the only show characters left who know Jon's lineage, right?
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I don't think he knows Jon's lineage but Littlefinger knows Lyanna wasn't kidnapped. But it's possible he suspects even if he doesn't know for sure. I can't remember which episode but he made mention in the crypts below winterfell about Lyanna not being kidnapped and going with Rhaegar willingly. Or hinted at it. Probably with Sansa last season.
I don't think he knows Jon's lineage but Littlefinger knows Lyanna wasn't kidnapped. But it's possible he suspects even if he doesn't know for sure. I can't remember which episode but he made mention in the crypts below winterfell about Lyanna not being kidnapped and going with Rhaegar willingly. Or hinted at it. Probably with Sansa last season.
He definitely hinted at it, and it's a very real possibility that he knows more. However, it looks like Lyanna's pregnancy was kept to a very small group. I don't think Ned even knew Lyanna was pregnant.
I'm not sure if Littlefinger would have been a part of that group or had the network to know at the time...but, with that thought, I wouldn't put it over Varys to know all about it as well.
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So I rewatched the scene with Littlefinger and Sansa in the Winterfell crypts.
On second watch, he doesn't betray too much when Sansa mentions that Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna. Maybe Littlefinger doesn't really know about Jon...yet.
Though their exchange is still dripping with foreshadowing.
LF: He's a dangerous man (Roose Bolton). But even the most dangerous men can be outmaneuvered. And you've learnt to maneuver from the very best *intimate shoulder grab followed by a kiss on the lips*.
If Sansa doesn't outmaneuver Littlefinger by exploiting his romantic interest in her, leading to his demise, then both their characters were a complete waste of screen time.
Would also be interesting to see the dragons' reaction to Jon. Probably won't clue Dany in on his heritage alone, but would be a cool moment for fans to geek out about.
With the direwolf scene are we sure that Arya is actually Arya?
Would it make more sense for the faceless man (posing as the waif) has taken over Arya stark? It makes the Arya chase episode make more sense if the waif kills her and steals her face. And the direwolf would know it's not her.
Symbolically the direwolf leaving her is saying she isn't a Stark which would make sense if that encounter occurred before she decided to go back to winterfell. But this occurred after her decision so why does the Wolf not recognize her as a Stark
With the direwolf scene are we sure that Arya is actually Arya?
Would it make more sense for the faceless man (posing as the waif) has taken over Arya stark? It makes the Arya chase episode make more sense if the waif kills her and steals her face. And the direwolf would know it's not her.
Symbolically the direwolf leaving her is saying she isn't a Stark which would make sense if that encounter occurred before she decided to go back to winterfell. But this occurred after her decision so why does the Wolf not recognize her as a Stark
From the way the scene played out, I think Nymeria absolutely recognized Arya. Or, at the very least, she recognized that there was a time when she was called by the name Nymeria. She was ready to rip Arya's face off until Arya started talking to her, then her whole demeanor changed.
She didn't go with Arya because she has moved beyond the point in her life where she can just be the pet to a young girl in a castle... Just as Arya has moved well beyond being a young girl in a castle.
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With the direwolf scene are we sure that Arya is actually Arya?
Would it make more sense for the faceless man (posing as the waif) has taken over Arya stark? It makes the Arya chase episode make more sense if the waif kills her and steals her face. And the direwolf would know it's not her.
Symbolically the direwolf leaving her is saying she isn't a Stark which would make sense if that encounter occurred before she decided to go back to winterfell. But this occurred after her decision so why does the Wolf not recognize her as a Stark
Even if that scene could make sense with the waif having taken Arya's place, which I'm not sure it does, how would the rest of Arya's scenes since the fight with the waif make sense? Why kill all the Frey's? Why travel as Arya, who is more likely to draw attention? It just seems to reach way too far.
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Even if that scene could make sense with the waif having taken Arya's place, which I'm not sure it does, how would the rest of Arya's scenes since the fight with the waif make sense? Why kill all the Frey's? Why travel as Arya, who is more likely to draw attention? It just seems to reach way too far.
Also, how would the waif have the knowledge of Nymeria, much less all the Freys and to interact with all the lesser known/acquaintance characters that Arya's revisited on the way back to Winterfel.
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Would also be interesting to see the dragons' reaction to Jon. Probably won't clue Dany in on his heritage alone, but would be a cool moment for fans to geek out about.
my guess is that Jon won't bend the knee as demanded, and will probably say something that offends Dany (e.g. her quest for the throne is pointless, she is not powerful enough to stand up to the Night King). so then he'll receive the Queen's Justice in the form of dragon fire and then...dun dun dun...the episode ends with him standing up naked and unharmed once the inferno clears.
I don't have a leaked copy of the episode or anything, please don't ban me if this turns out to be true.
The tension I think will be trying to persuade each other about the importance of their goals. Dany wants Jon to help win the Iron Throne and rule the seven kingdoms, Jon wants Dany to forget that game and face the Night King and the battle for humanity. If either are too stubborn or proud or dismissive in their reception of the other's requests, sparks will fly. Melisandre, Tyrion, and Varys should have key roles in how the encounter goes down.
And of course other players are doing their thing. Cersei and Jaime and Euron and Littlefinger and so on.
