Ontario Election thread

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by GGG

You could refurbish Pickering though at a lower cost than building a new Nuclear Power Plant or renewables. Shuttering it does not make sense.

Also Chernobyl had nothing to do with it being an old plant they intentionally took safety features offline to do tests.

The government disagrees and believes energy is cheaper from Quebec than refurbishing pickering. And the government has get approval to go beyond 2024 its not up to them.

Chernobyl is a nuclear disaster.. I wasnt looking for an analogous cause just the end result

[GGG]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The government disagrees and believes energy is cheaper from Quebec than refurbishing pickering. And the government has get approval to go beyond 2024 its not up to them.

Chernobyl is a nuclear disaster.. I wasnt looking for an analogous cause just the end result

This plant is not on the verge of a nuclear disaster. It passes numerous safety inspections. The Ontario Power Corporation has applied to keep in running to until 2024 and a recent study (though sponsored by the OPC).https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...port-says.html

The PCs have said to keep in running until 2024 or until the end of its operating life. The liberals have said 2024. The NDP and Greens want to shutter in August. The NDP position is moronic.

There has not been a nuclear disaster because a plant was old. Provided the neccessary maintenance is being performed you aren't increasing the risk over time. To say that shuttering Pickering is to prevent nuclear disaster is uneducated fear mongering.

[White Out 403]

Doug Ford: "nuke-a-lear"

GGG: not sure if we're going to be able to have a reasonable conversation about the Pickering Plant if you think a Nuclear Power facility is ageless so long as maintenance is performed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Doug Ford: "nuke-a-lear"

GGG: not sure if we're going to be able to have a reasonable conversation about the Pickering Plant if you think a Nuclear Power facility is ageless so long as maintenance is performed.

Not sure we can have a reasonable conversation if you think Pickering is the next Chernobyl.

You just need to do multi billion dollar retrofits. The question is purely an economic one not a technically feasibility one.

Do you support the NDP position that it should be shutdown in August rather than 2024?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by GGG

Not sure we can have a reasonable conversation if you think Pickering is the next Chernobyl.

You just need to do multi billion dollar retrofits. The question is purely an economic one not a technically feasibility one.

Do you support the NDP position that it should be shutdown in August rather than 2024?

I don't really have a dog in the fight. My brother actually works and the Ontario electrical system and is often at Pickering, and even he is in a mixed opinion about it

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GGG

You just need to do multi billion dollar retrofits. The question is purely an economic one not a technically feasibility one.

Isn't it a technical feasibility one too? Maybe I'm wrong, but hasn't Pickering already been refurbished / retubed once? I'm not aware of any nuclear reactor of this type that has had it done twice. Hell, fifteen years ago they didn't even know if they could refurbish them successfully to extend their useful life at all, much less twice.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by GGG

This plant is not on the verge of a nuclear disaster. It passes numerous safety inspections. The Ontario Power Corporation has applied to keep in running to until 2024 and a recent study (though sponsored by the OPC).https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...port-says.html

The PCs have said to keep in running until 2024 or until the end of its operating life. The liberals have said 2024. The NDP and Greens want to shutter in August. The NDP position is moronic.

There has not been a nuclear disaster because a plant was old. Provided the neccessary maintenance is being performed you aren't increasing the risk over time. To say that shuttering Pickering is to prevent nuclear disaster is uneducated fear mongering.

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-st...n-critics-say/


https://globalnews.ca/news/3896056/d...fety-concerns/


Trades workers and supervisors tasked with refurbishing the Darlington and Pickering nuclear facilities were told to leave their jobs last week due to a “concerning trend of safety incidents,” Global News has learned.
The information was obtained from an internal email sent to employees by senior officials at Ontario Power Generation (OPG) – the provincially owned company responsible for managing the nuclear plants.

[Cheese]

It cost 12.8 BILLION dollars to refurbish it the last time...

Pickering is already 15 years past its best before date. It's the fourth oldest nuclear station in North America and the seventh oldest nuclear station in the world. Given its age, it is not surprising that Pickering is one of the most unreliable and poorest performing nuclear plants in North America. Or that is has the highest operating costs of any nuclear station in North America.


Best before dates are important -- not only for the milk you drink but also for the nuclear plant you live by. Pickering is surrounded by over 2.2 million people who live within the 30-kilometre high-risk zone. The Liberals are rolling the dice on a nuclear station that is surrounded by more people than any nuclear plant in North America.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mike-s..._11051446.html

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cheese

https://www.durhamregion.com/news-st...n-critics-say/


https://globalnews.ca/news/3896056/d...fety-concerns/


Trades workers and supervisors tasked with refurbishing the Darlington and Pickering nuclear facilities were told to leave their jobs last week due to a “concerning trend of safety incidents,” Global News has learned.
The information was obtained from an internal email sent to employees by senior officials at Ontario Power Generation (OPG) – the provincially owned company responsible for managing the nuclear plants.

Did you read the article the Contractors were sent home for not following OPG safety protocols not the old reactor was creating an unsafe work environment. On every major project some contractors will get kicked of for not following procedures. This is a sign of good safety performance from OPG and poor performance by SNC/AECom.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by GGG

Did you read the article the Contractors were sent home for not following OPG safety protocols not the old reactor was creating an unsafe work environment. On every major project some contractors will get kicked of for not following procedures. This is a sign of good safety performance from OPG and poor performance by SNC/AECom.

My bad.. But still not a solution. The plant is past it's prrime.

[chemgear]

/cringe

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cheese

It cost 12.8 BILLION dollars to refurbish it the last time...

Pickering is already 15 years past its best before date. It's the fourth oldest nuclear station in North America and the seventh oldest nuclear station in the world. Given its age, it is not surprising that Pickering is one of the most unreliable and poorest performing nuclear plants in North America. Or that is has the highest operating costs of any nuclear station in North America.


Best before dates are important -- not only for the milk you drink but also for the nuclear plant you live by. Pickering is surrounded by over 2.2 million people who live within the 30-kilometre high-risk zone. The Liberals are rolling the dice on a nuclear station that is surrounded by more people than any nuclear plant in North America.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mike-s..._11051446.html

Poor analogy. Milk best before dates are useless.

[Ashasx]

LEVY: NDP candidate targeted police chief with racial slur

Andrew’s scandalous slur came in response to a letter Chief Mark Saunders e-mailed to front-line cops the same week in 2016 that BLM staged a sit-in at the Gay Pride parade and a tragic ambush by a lone gunman in Dallas, Texas left five officers dead and nine others injured.

In that letter, the chief expressed his concern for the safety of TPS officers — asking them to continue to “take all necessary precautions.”

In the aftermath of the Pride parade sit-in, he also indicated his concerns with people in the city “who want to drive a wedge between the TPS and the LGBTQ communities” — stating that attacks on the TPS have come “predictably” from those people and are “inaccurate, irresponsible and inflammatory.”

He did not specifically name BLM-Toronto.

In her July 8, 2016 Facebook post Andrew — after stating that Saunders deserved the “coon award” — questioned “who the hell” those people were and seemed to resent the fact that the chief urged his officers to take “necessary precautions.

In her Ryerson bio, Andrew is described as having a master’s degree in Women and Gender Studies from the University of Toronto and as working on PhD research focusing on women’s body stories — especially those of black women “who identify as fat” living in Toronto.

“Andrew is interested in how some Black women have re/fashioned their intersectional identities across different times and spaces in their lives,” the bio states.

In the September 2016 IN magazine article, Andrew contends that she’s seeing more of an “intersectional approach to addressing body activism” and that body shaming is not a white, heterosexual, college-educated women’s issue–the latter a myth which “informs” funding decisions.

http://torontosun.com/news/provincia...th-racial-slur

I would have thought that this was the NDP's election to lose at this point, but many of the candidates people would have to actually vote for might have something to say about that.

I can't recall three worse parties running in a provincial election.

[transplant99]

It’s been nearly a decade since Ontario Liberals passed the Green Energy Act, an ambitious plan to rid the province of coal-fired electricity and make Ontario a powerhouse in renewable energy manufacturing.

But the lead engineer responsible for designing and implementing a key component of the plan – the FIT and Micro-FIT programs that saw billions of dollars in green-energy contracts awarded to solar and wind companies – tells Global News in an exclusive interview the Liberal government ignored expert advice that, if followed, could have saved Ontario electricity customers billions of dollars in unnecessary spending.

Despite these concerns, the government pushed ahead with its green energy “agenda,” against the better wisdom of its own policy advisers and to the detriment of Ontario electricity customers, he said.

“It was definitely frustrating,” said Jim MacDougall, a former employee of the now defunct Ontario Power Authority (OPA) and the person responsible for design and implementation of the province’s Feed-in-Tariff (FIT) and Micro-FIT programs.

Global News obtained more than 4,000 pages of internal emails, ministerial briefings and other documents created by the OPA between January 2009 and August 2010 – the months leading up to and after the FIT and Micro-FIT programs were launched.

The documents suggest – as MacDougall has indicated – that the government’s own experts, those employed to design and implement the province’s energy policies, were advising the government that technologies such as solar power needed to be developed “gradually” to prevent a “potential flood” of renewable-energy contracts from overwhelming the province’s electricity system and sending hydro bills skyrocketing.

By ignoring this advice, MacDougall says the government missed an opportunity to save billions of dollars and grow the industry slowly. It’s kind of like the government agreed to purchase millions of flat-screen TVs at inflated 2005 prices without taking any steps to take advantage as prices for the new technology dropped rapidly. For example, between September 2009 and February 2010, the OPA said the price of installing ground-mounted solar panels dropped by as much as 30 per cent.

But these recommendations were never implemented by the government and the number of contracts signed in the first two years of the program was enormous, representing roughly 80 per cent of the renewable power purchased through the plans over the past decade.

Asinine.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4237041/o..._campaign=2015

[CaptainCrunch]

He'd have my vote

https://twitter.com/user/status/1002215815255601153

[CaptainCrunch]

I know that polls don't mean much. But though the polls are close, seat distribution is still showing that the PC will take a slight majority

The Innovative Research Group conducted a poll that showed a tight race for the NDP (36%) and the PC party (34%), with the Liberals at 22%; an Ipsos poll also put the Liberals at 22%, but they show more support for the PC party (37%) than for the NDP (34%)
The new Forum poll released late Wednesday afternoon shows the PC party pulling ahead with 39% support from decided voters versus 35% for the NDP. The Liberal party nabbed only 19%.
The large Forum sample size adds weight to their prediction of a PC majority with 77 seats; the NDP would serve as official opposition with 41 seats, and the Liberals would win six seats.

http://torontosun.com/news/provincia...ad-in-new-poll


I think that one key thing is that the NDP really have to shoot down the talk of a minority coalition with the Liberals, I think that will push people away from voting for the NDP, the Liberal brand in Ontario is toxic.

[CaptainCrunch]

Ekos and Angus Reid


EKOS PC/NDP/Lib - 38-38-19
Angus Reid PC/NDP/Lib - 37-39-17

Updated seat projection

PC-NDP-Lib 71-52-1

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ekos and Angus Reid


EKOS PC/NDP/Lib - 38-38-19
Angus Reid PC/NDP/Lib - 37-39-17

Updated seat projection

PC-NDP-Lib 71-52-1

Oh ffs

[CaptainCrunch]

Like I said, its a poll, and they seem to have become singularly worthless in terms of predicting anything.


But this is really a turtle race between no options. For all we know 10 dudes will show up to vote and they'll do a write in campaign and the next Ontario Premiere will be General Zod.

[Scroopy Noopers]

If any local sports hero could throw their name into the hat now they’d win in a landslide.