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Old 01-08-2018, 06:02 PM   #1181
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Wow, Zambrano out as coach and replaced with John Herdman (who leaves the women's team).
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:21 PM   #1182
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Wow, Zambrano out as coach and replaced with John Herdman (who leaves the women's team).
Brutal, good luck with that John...
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:21 PM   #1183
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The following quote from John Molinaro (who had the scoop) is very troubling.

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While Reed maintains that this change was made in order to give Herdman full control, from the youth level to the senior team, for the long-term benefit of the men’s program, one well-placed source told Sportsnet that Zambrano’s tenure as coach was viewed as “a disaster” within some quarters of Canada Soccer.
Only in Canadian soccer can a new coach get the best results seen in years, finally looking like a program that is exciting to watch on the pitch, and be seen as a disaster.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/john-...m-womens-team/

You know it's a bad move when virtually the entire Canadian soccer community is in unison in their outrage over the decision. The CSA has potentially torpedoed both the men's and women's programs with this decision.

None of the players from the men's or women's team knew either:

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Old 01-08-2018, 06:40 PM   #1184
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Hmmmm....

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Zambrano’s was job-reviewed several times despite having held the job for less than a year. For former CSA president Victor Montagliani, who wanted to have the national-team hire done and dusted before he left the post to focus on his job as the head of CONCACAF, this does tarnish his legacy somewhat.

Some sources had told me that Zambrano was going to set the program behind so badly, that any chance of qualifying for the 2022 World Cup were vanishing, fast.

And, he did go on the record in a one-on-one interview with me before the Christmas holidays about a rather ambitious and expensive plan which would have seen him doing an end-around every technical director in the country.

But, he never once called on FC Edmonton to ask about players. He didn’t make contact with the San Francisco Deltas, even though the team was starting four players who had national-team experience. He didn’t communicate with other coaches in the Canadian program. In fact, for a man who claimed he wanted to take over the scouting process in Canada, there was lots of talk about the teams and players he never bothered to see.
https://the11.ca/worst-kept-secret-i...-from-day-one/
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:56 PM   #1185
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CSA going to CSA.
Proves nothing has changed in a couple decades. Still a few major decision makers out east thinking they know better then everyone else when it comes to any part of soccer organization and development in this country, hellbent on trying to emulate this countries federation as if it were a European one, letting ego, power trips and pride take precedence in decision making and who they install to make those decisons.

Just a pathetic, borderline crooked organization as has been since the early 90’s. The only positive out of not making the WC in the last 35 years (2022 at the earliest now),is that they haven’t been handed a cheque by FIFA for qualification, which would’ve been wasted or embellzed by now. Former players are treated like crap, they’ve missed out on many many good players over the years due to the hierarchy installed and political jockeying going on within the organization, to no ones advantage but their own. Players, coaches, a plan, everything, took a back seat to the politics in that joke of an organization and this is the cherry on top.

Someone hired this dolt, and everyone else in the CSA went along with it singing his praises as some mysterious and magical foreign coach. This should be cause for a total change in the organization, instead even if there is change, it’s just another faction that has been uttered by the ruling party, and the new crew will rise with their own ideas and own politics that will just take over where the others left off.

I wonder where DeVos sits in all this.

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Old 01-08-2018, 09:33 PM   #1186
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Questionable move. This is the guy who kept starting Sesselman in the World Cup and it cost them in the semis quarter finals. But hes charismatic and photogenic. Wont have Christine Sinclair on the men's team though.

I can see both sides, but it really does seem like a smear campaign against Zambrano to save face.

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Old 01-09-2018, 09:11 AM   #1187
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Quite a few reporters with inside sources saying that Zambrano firing was coming for a while and that he was a disaster. Problem is, none of that information was out there until last night. The optics of this move are just terrible.

Would be curious to get Tommy Wheeldon's thoughts on this move. Conveniently, I'm meeting up with him tomorrow night.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:26 AM   #1188
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Quite a few reporters with inside sources saying that Zambrano firing was coming for a while and that he was a disaster. Problem is, none of that information was out there until last night. The optics of this move are just terrible.

Would be curious to get Tommy Wheeldon's thoughts on this move. Conveniently, I'm meeting up with him tomorrow night.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:20 PM   #1189
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Some more info on the decision in this article by John Molinaro, who broke the story.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/john-...womens-team-2/
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/shows/tim-an...g-controversy/

Tim and Sid lay into CSA
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:29 PM   #1191
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Nobody does a rant like Sid. Best in the biz at being angry and eloquently making his feelings known.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:52 PM   #1192
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I have no knowledge whatsoever so completely ignorant, but who's worse? Oilers management, or CSAs?
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:12 PM   #1193
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I have no knowledge whatsoever so completely ignorant, but who's worse? Oilers management, or CSAs?
CSA for sure. 13 coaches in 15 years! for a team that only tries to qualify once every 4 years.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:28 PM   #1194
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Just to clarify, John did speak to me before the announcement was released. Still shocked and saddened the man who changed soccer in Canada and my life won't be leading #canWNT any longer. There is no doubt he will succeed in this next chapter as well.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:30 PM   #1195
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I have no knowledge whatsoever so completely ignorant, but who's worse? Oilers management, or CSAs?
CSA has been incompetent for decades.

There certainly are challenges for soccer in this country.That said, for 12 years they were right in the mix in the region.

They choked in the last couple games of qualification in 1982, same in 1990, and was a home win away from making it in 1994.

Jamaica, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica were minnows and an easy win in those days for the most part. They really blown past Canada since that point.

The CSA has used every excuse since. Mismanaged youth programs and development, focus on the politics and keeping power, and then when that faction of Ontario or Quebec coaches and technical advisors and money guys, or whoever is pulling the strings, gets booted,another faction takes over and thinks they have all the answers and get their guys into the CSA.

There have been countless 5 year plans, all with a lot of text and not a lot of action, as they were more exercises in proving how smart the current power regime is then the others.

Some guy hired Zambrano. He was doing ok as a coach. He wasn’t doing other things around development. So then who pulled the strings to convince the CSA to hire him guy was no longer in power so the other power brokers in the CSA made the change like its high school.

It’s the most public display of incompetence, but it’s an annual internal thing.
Jason DeVos was supposed to get in there upon his hire and bring transparency...he he said anything yes or has he gotten pulled in as part of the political webs spun?

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CSA for sure. 13 coaches in 15 years! for a team that only tries to qualify once every 4 years.
I don't think the "13 coaches in 15 years" is a fair statement at all. More than half of these 13 were overseeing camps on an interim basis, and some were interims for multiple spells. Colin Miller was interim manager 3 times, twice within the same year. Stephen Hart was interim manager twice and head coach once.

Now if we want to talk about how Colin Miller is a dinosaur who should be nowhere near the men's national team, then that is a completely fair statement.
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Also, I don't think the comparison of the CSA to the Oilers is necessarily accurate. If the Canadian national team had Messi, and still missed the World Cup, it would be a fair comparison. To me, the better comparison of the CSA are the Flames during the 7 year drought in the late 90's / early 00's.

- They don't have the talent to get to the level they need to (World Cup / NHL playoffs)
- They don't have the budget other FA's have (remember trying to compete with the Rangers during this time)
- Outside of the diehards they get little support from the general populace
- They have a great young talent, but that's not enough (Davies / Iginla)
- They make some absolutely boneheaded decisions that do not help the cause (Zambrano / Herdman and Savard trade)
- Because it has been so long since they have had success, it just seems like they will never have it again
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What is the general opinion on Herdman? I hardly know anything about the guy.
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What is the general opinion on Herdman? I hardly know anything about the guy.
Seemingly a solid soccer guy as far as tactician, teacher, game manager. Work will be cut out for him...coaching the women will be totally different than the men.

He pulled the women's program up through instilling confidence in the women not only on the field with tactics and skill and team development but off, and became close to them and they looked up to him as a friend and mentor.

Not going to be the same touchy feely stuff with the men...also with the women, who play outside of the national team not really for much of a living in North America, with club teams friendly to the National team schedule to let players go for those games, the majority of the mens team are scattered through the world with clubs that are concerned about themselves before Canada as far as releasing players go.

And, the male players are professional, making a living out of this, so they have decisions to make if there is that club pressure, and, there is much more ego and bravado as a result too.

Herdman won't be able to have as much time with the men as the women, and regardless of that time spent, the likelhood of him being looked up to as a good friend, as so many of the women did and played for him so well because of that trust and bond they had with him, just won't occur with the men.

Basically, IMO, the large reason he's had success with the Women's program and them playing under him, won't really be able to be utilized with the Men's program.

The CSA has stuck him in a hard spot, basically overnight, because they don't know what they're doing. He's not the right coach; he'd talked about joining the Mens game somewhere in some capacity in a few years. The CSA are forcing a square peg into a round hole and hope that it works, while trying to fleece the public that the women and men's game's are equal, and that Herdman is some sort of magic worker which will change the Men's program over the next year or two, which is unfair to him. He'll try, but he also has the crooked, political, infighting CSA still to have to work with and deal with going forward, nevermind unwinding all the mess they've created in the past with terrible decisions at every turn with regards to youth development, relationships (non political) within North America etc.

Truth is, this was the only extreme option available to the CSA on short notice, and picked him mainly so that they could limit the PR damage and spin this semi-positively, given Herdman's reputation and goodwill earned within the women's team, with the sudden nature of the decision.

The move also prevents the CSA from having to try and find another coach, and a coach that would be fine with playing by and under the screwed up CSA politically created mandates and rules, a coach that doesn't take the CSA to task as Zambrano did on the way the organization, and whoever was controlling the power, did business.

Embarrassing on all levels

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Seen Herdman on Snet and now TSN doing interviews, so they're throwing him out to put perfume on this mess.

No further context or info from the CSA at all this week and that includes DeVos who promised to be the voice of reason and transparency within when he was hired.
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