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Old 07-03-2019, 09:10 AM   #3721
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Its going to be interesting to see what the Oilers renewal's look like especially with the suites. We know that Katz was freaking out a bit about that. Is hiring Holland enough and sending Mac-T down the road going to be enough to satisfy Oiler fans?
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:16 AM   #3722
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I will say after venturing to HF it appears Oilers fans are finally looking at their situation realistically. Most don't think they are going to be any better next season which is progress as maybe they are finally starting to sober up from years of Kool-Aid indulgence. On the flip side I also think fans that realize the season is lost before it starts does not usually make for great attendance. I think we are going to see more empty seats in Rogers Place this coming season.
In reality, if McDavid and Drai match their outstanding seasons from last year, the Oilers are likely picking top 5 at the draft.

You'd probably need a combined 275 points from those two guys to have a sniff at the playoffs. You aren't getting 20+ goals from Chaisson again.
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In reality, if McDavid and Drai match their outstanding seasons from last year, the Oilers are likely picking top 5 at the draft.

You'd probably need a combined 275 points from those two guys to have a sniff at the playoffs. You aren't getting 20+ goals from Chaisson again.
I donít see how the Oilers arenít significantly worse next season, and thatís saying a lot for a team that was 2nd worst in the conference.

McDavid, Drai, and RNH all had career seasons, which they are likely to not repeat (McDavid could be close to maintaining), and now they are even less deep on defence AND offence, and certainly donít have anything resembling consistent goaltending.

Between Drai and Chaissonís unsustainable shooting percentages alone, they probably lose at least 20 goals for next year, simply due to long term percentage balancing. They were already -42 in goal differential last year, they cannot afford to lose that many goals.

They have very little for blue chip prospects.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:35 AM   #3725
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Just wait until the pre-season.

Without much of a splash this off-season, they haven't been able to get the foam going quite yet - but they'll be in a roiling fever by the time the first cross-overs hit the ice.

But the gears will get going if Lucic is moved, or when player-x looks good in camp or really much of anything at all.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:43 AM   #3726
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Let’s look at it this way:

The Oilers forwards who were 4th, 5th and 6th in points for them last year were:

Chiasson 38 points
Kassian 26 points
Lucic 20 points

On top of Drai and RNH having career years last season they are likely not to repeat, does anyone think that Chiasson is going to get anywhere near 22 goals again? Does anyone think Kassian will get to 15 goals again? Lucic has been dropping at a rate of about 15 points a season, so he will likely have about 5 points this coming season.

After that, they are relying on Gagner, granlund and Khaira.

That team might struggle to get to 60 points next season.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:48 AM   #3727
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^ Not to mention the state the fans will be in if that goalie tandem is showing holes early

I can only imagine how bad a worst-case-scenario can be with a Koskinen-Smith tandem playing the way they did last year. Which likely means Smith and Koskinen picking up where their regular seasons both respectively left off is the worst-case-scenario, really.

Smith would let an errant wrister from the hash-marks by to welcome fans into the arena on quite a few nights. So, just imagine the 10-bell chances Edmonton will be giving up all night. They could be looking for McDavid hat-tricks before the 2nd

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Old 07-03-2019, 09:50 AM   #3728
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Well Dave Tippett will have them trying to beat opponents by putting them to sleep which has worked at times in Phoenix.
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^ Not to mention the state the fans will be in if that goalie tandem is showing holes early


I can only imagine how bad a worst-case-scenario can be with a Koskinen-Smith tandem playing the way they did last year. Which likely means Smith and Koskinen picking up where their regular seasons both respectively left off is the worst-case-scenario, really.
It's actually really exciting thinking of how bad they will suck next year.

Wasn't last season their 4th best season since like 1996 or something?

Glorious.
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Well Dave Tippett will have them trying to beat opponents by putting them to sleep which has worked at times in Phoenix.

Well Dave Tippets counterpunch trap system is going to reduce their offense even more, combined with a blueline that maybe has one guy who can somewhat competently either headman or pass the puck up the ice.


I wonder how long McDavid is going to enjoy playing for Tippett?
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:01 AM   #3731
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I donít see how the Oilers arenít significantly worse next season, and thatís saying a lot for a team that was 2nd worst in the conference.

McDavid, Drai, and RNH all had career seasons, which they are likely to not repeat (McDavid could be close to maintaining), and now they are even less deep on defence AND offence, and certainly donít have anything resembling consistent goaltending.

Between Drai and Chaissonís unsustainable shooting percentages alone, they probably lose at least 20 goals for next year, simply due to long term percentage balancing. They were already -42 in goal differential last year, they cannot afford to lose that many goals.

They have very little for blue chip prospects.
I was thinking about this exactly the same way.

New GM, New Coach, old players out, new players in, new goaltending tandem, another year of 'development' for their prospects......

But they look worse. I think ironically they're going to be dreaming fondly of last season.
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They've managed to shuffle the Captains chairs on the Titanic, and put a few new holes in the boat. I'm not sure how they will be better.
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:27 AM   #3733
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I saw something earlier about the Oilers having an 89% season ticket renewal rate.

I spent the weekend with my wife's brother's family. They're hard Oilers fans, and have had season tickets for years. But, they live in Fort Mac, and have 2 young kids, so they let them go. In optimism, they went on the wait list, since they hope to be able to be in a position to get them again in 3 or 4 years, which was the previous wait list time.

They were on the waitlist for 5 hours before they got an offer to buy.
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It's actually really exciting thinking of how bad they will suck next year.

Wasn't last season their 4th best season since like 1996 or something?

Glorious.
In the end, they were 25th in the league, for their 6th best season since 2006.

That’s 13 seasons though, so they have had 7 worse seasons alone since 2006.

Since 1990, here is the league positions that they have finished in:

11/21
12/22
20/24
23/26
22/26
21/26
13/26
15/26
16/27
14/28
12/30
15/30
14/30
17/30
14/30
25/30
19/30
21/30
30/30
30/30
29/30
24/30
28/30
28/30
29/30
8/30
23/31
25/31

For reference, those 2 seasons in which they finished 14th out of 30 teams, are their 3rd and 4th best seasons since they last won the Stanley Cup.
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That container is ripe for a good photoshop. It even has the right colors.
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That container is ripe for a good photoshop. It even has the right colors.
Agreed. Needs that McDavid in a kayak one, towing the Oilers dumpster, with Nicholson on the shore doing a water test.
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if you combined Mike Smith and Koskinen into one goalie, I'm pretty sure they would be impossible not to score on:

Mike Smith's gaping 5 hole and inability to move laterally

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Koskinen's abhorrent glove hand and propensity to drop to his knees as soon as the puck enters the zone


Should be great to behold this season. Smith's comments on fighting for starting position just tickled me pink.
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My own take is that the Oilers are likely to be better than they were last year, as last year they got weak-to-mediocre goaltending, which is unlikely to be any worse this coming year. The core group of players ó Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Darnell Nurse, Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson ó are all in their hockey player prime, so should still be trending up as two-way players. So, as always, Iím full of hope.

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My own take is that the Oilers are likely to be better than they were last year, as last year they got weak-to-mediocre goaltending, which is unlikely to be any worse this coming year. The core group of players ó Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Darnell Nurse, Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson ó are all in their hockey player prime, so should still be trending up as two-way players. So, as always, Iím full of hope.
Why, David? Why is it likely that the Oilers goaltending will be better? Is it because 32-year-old Miko Koskinen will have finally learned how to play at this level? Is it because 37-year-old Mike Smith will manage to channel the 2012 vintage of himself?

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