[Rumour] Flames have shown interest in Tyson Barrie. Discussed Brodie for Barrie 1 for 1

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wtf? How can the Flames possibly be thinking this? The underrating of Brodie is absurd, he's basically the perfect fit with Giordano.

RHS very good offensive/poor defensive RD vs LHS mediocre offensive/ok defensive RD.

Not that outrageous.

Barrie would really give the PP a different look as well.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wtf? How can the Flames possibly be thinking this? The underrating of Brodie is absurd, he's basically the perfect fit with Giordano.

Pretty simple, i stated it earlier in this thread. The Flames need more offense from their defense. Barrie, in what is a bit of an off year for him, is still on pace for Brodies career high in points. Brodie has one goal this year.

[Psytic]

All I can think of is that Brodie must not be entertaining talks of coming back or asking for a big payday. In that instance then I do trade him for someone that I have a chance of signing possibly for less. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[agulati]

Weren’t Flames rumored to also be interested in Barrie going back a few years? I might be misremembering.

[jmac98]

Ideally I’d like to see the current roster try playing under a higher end proven coach to see how they fare. But as bargain bin up and comer shopping is the modus operandi for that position, I’d be ok with this trade simply because whatever they’re doing at present isn’t working, or at least isn’t sustainable to expectation.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by agulati

Weren’t Flames rumored to also be interested in Barrie going back a few years? I might be misremembering.

There were thoughts that Hammer for Barrie was something as early as mid January.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pretty simple, i stated it earlier in this thread. The Flames need more offense from their defense. Barrie, in what is a bit of an off year for him, is still on pace for Brodies career high in points. Brodie has one goal this year.

Barrie isn't even close to Brodie defensively, though. He's a net negative player, IMO.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Fire

I just don't see the point. UFA for UFA, similar players. Maybe the Flames know they can't or won't sign Brodie to an extension and they think they could sign an extension with Barrie.

This is probably it. Brodie probably not gonna re-sign here.

Barrie is the better point producer and PP quarterback (almost 60 points in the two seasons prior to this one), Brodie is the better all-around player.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie isn't even close to Brodie defensively, though. He's a net negative player, IMO.

And Brodie isn't even close to Barrie offensively. Which is the Flames would consider making the swap. Like I said.

[GranteedEV]

I would love Barrie... in addition to Brodie. A Brodie-Barrie-Andersson 1-2-3 on the right side makes a ton of sense.

Trading Brodie for Barrie 1-for-1 doesn't really move the needle and makes an already poor defensive team worse.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie isn't even close to Brodie defensively, though. He's a net negative player, IMO.

Now, if Brodie is traded for Barrie, who's spot does he take on which pairing? Who's the guy who plays with all the soft defensive players?

[Moneyhands23]

I dont believe it. This is Toronto talk, Brodie has had a way better season. Odds are the Flames can't sign either guy so this year is all that matters.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie isn't even close to Brodie defensively, though. He's a net negative player, IMO.

And Brodie isnt close to him offensively.

Hypothetically (if it happens)

You could play Rasmus with Gio and shelter Barrie defensively on the 3rd pairing. Again TB would add a completely different dimension on the PP.

Play Stone-Hanifin as the 2nd pairing until Hamonic returns, and roll with Barrie-Kylington/Davison as the 3rd group.

[Hackey]

Brodie for Barrie 1 for 1? Why? That makes absolutely zero sense. Has to be more to a potential deal. I'm slowly losing faith.

[Psytic]

Maybe this plays into the rumors they are trying to re-sign Hamonic. Maybe they figure they gain offence from Barrie and will deploy him only in the o zone and PP. Maybe they can sign him for less than Brodie but then figure they can re-sign Hamonic for defensive deployment as well. Maybe its Barrie plus future cap vs Brodie? I dont know just trying to get in their heads.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pretty simple, i stated it earlier in this thread. The Flames need more offense from their defense. Barrie, in what is a bit of an off year for him, is still on pace for Brodies career high in points. Brodie has one goal this year.

If only there was a free-agent coach out there who has experience dealing with a highly-mobile defensive unit that can power a team's offence from the backend. Sure sounds a lot like a guy like Laviolette, who has had that experience in Nashville. Just sayin'...

I don't think the Flames lack of offence is a personnel issue as much as a systems issue. I'm pretty sure this D unit has been top 5 in offensive scoring ever since Hartley was coach, and as recent as last season. I know a lot has to do with Gio's decline. But a drop like this season is pretty substantial and concerning. With players like Andersson, Kylington and even Brodie who all skate well, there's no reason more offence from the back can't come from those players who are already here. Not to mention Valimaki who due back next season and Hanifin who should hopefully be able to take another step forward. IMO the decline of Gio should not be holding this team back from finding offence from the D.

I think I saw a stat the other day how the Flames are now near the bottom in the league for D scoring. With the proper system in place that utilizes the backend's strength, that should not be the case.

[TheScorpion]

Barrie's defensive deficiencies vastly outweigh his offensive capabilities. I don't care if he scores 50 points, he bleeds chances worse than Hamonic.

Brodie is a good defensive defenseman who can score 30 points in a typical season. Barrie is a very poor defenceman and I think replacing Brodie with him would cost the Flames their playoff berth.

Barrie is a net negative player. Look at it on a scale from -10 to +10. His offensive abilities are a +5 but his defense is a -7. Brodie's offense is a -2 or -3 but his defense is a +7.

[jmac98]

Brodie is better defensively but he is no stalwart. There’s a highlight reel of giveaways and dumb plays and turnovers on his resume.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie's defensive deficiencies vastly outweigh his offensive capabilities. I don't care if he scores 50 points, he bleeds chances worse than Hamonic.

Brodie is a good defensive defenseman who can score 30 points in a typical season. Barrie is a very poor defenceman and I think replacing Brodie with him would cost the Flames their playoff berth.

Barrie is a net negative player. Look at it on a scale from -10 to +10. His offensive abilities are a +5 but his defense is a -7. Brodie's offense is a -2 or -3 but his defense is a +7.

But how does Barrie score on the super secret hidden advanced stats index the Flames have?

[bubbsy]

Ugh, wtf is going on...