[Trade] Ducks trade Ondrej Kase to Boston for Backes (25% retained), 1st, and Axel Andersson

[btimbit]

Damn that's not a bad move at all. 1st and prospect seems like a lot for Kase but dumping Backes is huuuuge

[Anduril]

Leafs paid a first for Carolina to buy out Marleau.

Boston does the same for Backes (even with 25% retained), give up a prospect and get a year+ of Kase.

What

[Jacks]

Bruins didn't make Backes report to the AHL out of loyalty, wonder if the Ducks tell him to report. If he doesn't then terminate the contract, if he does then buy him out in the summer.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Look at it this way. He'd be a top 6 in Calgary. He's a depth piece in Boston.

Sounds like the plan is to start him with Debrusk and Krejci on the second line.

[N-E-B]

I’m not opposed to the Flames making a move but Kase, IMO, was not someone they should have been targeting. Not upset they didn’t get him.

[FlamesAddiction]

That is some pretty good asset management by the Ducks essentially turning a 2014 7th into a 2020 1st rounder.

Kase has shown more upside than an average 7th rounder, but given his injury history, it is probably a wash.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by bax

Sounds like the plan is to start him with Debrusk and Krejci on the second line.

Makes sense. I guess my point is that they can move him up and down that lineup. A deep team paid a decent price to make their roster better up and down. People asking why they did that for a guy with injury history/hasn't played a full year etc. That fear isn't there with Boston. It might be here.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not opposed to the Flames making a move but Kase, IMO, was not someone they should have been targeting. Not upset they didn’t get him.

A 24 year old RW RHS with another year on their contract at 2.6m and is still an RFA after, has a history of being a two way guy both scoring at a 20g pace and relentless on ice forechecking is NOT somebody to be targeting?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Anduril

A 24 year old RW RHS with another year on their contract at 2.6m and is still an RFA after, has a history of being a two way guy both scoring at a 20g pace and relentless on ice forechecking is NOT somebody to be targeting?

I could see teams being leery of the injury history. I also doubt the Ducks would have sent Kase to Flames for a 2nd

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Anduril

A 24 year old RW RHS with another year on their contract at 2.6m and is still an RFA after, has a history of being a two way guy both scoring at a 20g pace and relentless on ice forechecking is NOT somebody to be targeting?

I am sure the Flames targetted him, but what people seem to forget is that because there is a deal for the Bruins doesn't mean that there is a deal for the Flames. There are lots of reasons why the Ducks wouldn't trade Kase within the Pacific Division. There is alomost certainly an out of conference discount.

[agulati]

I’m glad he was traded out East. Kase will probably do well in the Bruins setup. I guess they are out of the Kreidwe sweepstakes.

[Psytic]

Meh I wouldn't have done it if I were the Flames. The guy is getting close to Ferland levels of head injury. Definently not for a 1st.

[1qqaaz]

Boston wins this trade big time. In fact I think this is the most one-sided trade in the NHL in a while.

Kase is a bona fide top 6 forward with a good contract and some term left
Backes had a lot of negative value, this is big cap dump even with retention
The first might be about as late as it gets
The prospect is nothing special

[Anduril]

Carolina buying out Marleau - 3m bonus signing, .833m over 2 years so effectively 3.8m real money and 6.25 on the cap for that season (which doesn't really matter to them)

Ducks buying out Backes @25% - 1m bonus signing, 2m over 2 years with boston taking 25% of the 3m total cost (750k) meaning 2.25m real money and 3.75 cap hit.


Chances are some of the 1st goes into getting Kase and part of why the Ducks took this deal in the end. I do think it's a nice pickup by both teams because they managed to get value out of it in different ways.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Kase has term and will be an RFA. This is the most they could get for him?

Now the Bruins will win the cup and Backes will miss out again.

[Saqe]

Kase seems to get overvalued here. He had one good season and since then has been injured a lot. He may end up being totally irrelevant for Boston like he has been this year for Anaheim. He's a lot closer to a 0.5 PPG, 10-15 goal player than a 20 goal, 50 point one.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I assume Backes will play for the Ducks?

I doubt it, but maybe.

More likely he gets bought out. ~3 million for a 1st rounder is about the going rate established in the marleau deal.

They might send him to robidas island.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Leafs paid a first for Carolina to buy out Marleau.

Boston does the same for Backes (even with 25% retained), give up a prospect and get a year+ of Kase.

What

The difference is marlwau was on a 35+ contract so his cap hit still counted.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I doubt it, but maybe.

More likely he gets bought out. ~3 million for a 1st rounder is about the going rate established in the marleau deal.

They might send him to robidas island.

For the rest of this season, though, I don't necessarily see the harm in giving him some games to see if he fits in with the team. They can't exactly buy him out right now.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

For the rest of this season, though, I don't necessarily see the harm in giving him some games to see if he fits in with the team. They can't exactly buy him out right now.

If he gets significantly hurt they can't buy him out.

He may very well play, but this is a trade for purposes of a buyout imo, so there is risk in having him suit up.