Use of Native American Imagery in Sports

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

If the Redskins name wasn’t still in use, the use of the Fleur dis lis by the Saints would seem insane.

https://centralrecorder.org/62445/op...ge-their-logo/

[ricardodw]

The "Flames" was a reference of The Union army burning Atlanta. It should be on the same level of political incorrect insult to the people of the southern states who's ancestors were brutalized in the war by a much superior industrialized foe who invaded their territory and imposed their morals on the defeated.

This is a parallel to the American first nations that commonly had slaves and remnants exist in their culture. There are not a lot of hereditary chiefs who did not have slaves a few generations ago and no hereditary chiefs from the defeated tribes. The invasion of Canadians stopped that practice.

When Calgary took over the Flames the team and kept the name because it fit in with the Gas Flares. Try selling the acceptability of celebrating Gas flares with your social justice warrior.

Same class as Oilers.

Canucks and Canadiens is a a name associated with the invading force that suppressed the first Nation people

Senators is associated with elite self interest and political payback at tax payer expense

Only the Leafs are safe.

[Poe969]

a maple tree fell on my uncle and killed him you bastard!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The "Flames" was a reference of The Union army burning Atlanta. It should be on the same level of political incorrect insult to the people of the southern states who's ancestors were brutalized in the war by a much superior industrialized foe who invaded their territory and imposed their morals on the defeated.



This is a parallel to the American first nations that commonly had slaves and remnants exist in their culture. There are not a lot of hereditary chiefs who did not have slaves a few generations ago and no hereditary chiefs from the defeated tribes. The invasion of Canadians stopped that practice.



When Calgary took over the Flames the team and kept the name because it fit in with the Gas Flares. Try selling the acceptability of celebrating Gas flares with your social justice warrior...

Jesus. It is not at all the same, and if this is what you actually believe and are not trolling for reactions as usual, then you clearly have not the foggiest idea about what has been happening the past month.

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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Jesus. It is not at all the same, and if this is what you actually believe and are not trolling for reactions as usual, then you clearly have not the foggiest idea about what has been happening the past month.

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The past month? This all is happening in the last month? Are you being intentional absurd?

[Mayo]

None of these sports team names would be an issue if people didn't intentionally make it one for the sake of virtue signalling to feel better about themselves or just complaining.

Kids aren't growing up with negative imagery of Native Americans due to these names...in fact it might be seen as positive, almost epic imagery without the historical context (kind of like the Minnesota Vikings, Fighting Irish etc.)

With that being said, people are going to make it an issue, and clearly the issue isn't going away. I think the sooner they just change the names and get on with it the better.

I like the Washington Redtails

[corporatejay]

My understanding is the issue with the Redskins hasn't been the imagery but the name.

Similarly, the issue with the Indians isn't the name but the logo.

[David Struch]

Seriously, do people actually think Native Americans are fine with being called Redskins and people doing the tomahawk chop... unreal.

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Seriously, do people actually think Native Americans are fine with being called Redskins and people doing the tomahawk chop... unreal.

If you do your research you’ll see that Native Americans themselves are somewhat split on the issue. In fact there are currently Native American highschools in the USA that are still called the Redskins. But good for you David, you clearly speak for all Native Americans.

Anyways, like I said, it’s enough of a controversy that they should just change the names.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Redliner

I think this is a bit of a stretch. The Fleur-de-lis is a symbol that is literally thousands of years old and is used on dozens of flags worldwide. Although it often represents the Holy Trinity, I believe in this context it represents Catholic saints and New Orleans' French heritage.

As with any symbol that has been around for that long, (and sadly, especially ones closely tied to religion) it has been used for nefarious purposes from time to time but I would argue that it is hardly synonymous with slavery. I guess if we look hard enough we can find something bad in just about anything, but I think there are far bigger fish to fry at the moment.

How is it a bit of a stretch? It’s not even hard to look for it’s a direct connection.

It’s not synonymous with all slavery but it sure is for slavery in Louisiana.

The team is in Louisiana.

They branded human beings they deemed to be property with that exact logo to return those who ran away... to Louisiana.

This is the same property that some owners would sexually assault, impregnate, then literally sell off their own children.

The act of “branding” literally makes my stomach turn to think about.

Retire it with another symbol that’s been around a long time, the swastika.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Mayo

If you do your research you’ll see that Native Americans themselves are somewhat split on the issue. In fact there are currently Native American highschools in the USA that are still called the Redskins. But good for you David, you clearly speak for all Native Americans.

Anyways, like I said, it’s enough of a controversy that they should just change the names.

And black folks use the N word, that doesn't make it okay for everyone else to.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

How is it a bit of a stretch? It’s not even hard to look for it’s a direct connection.

It’s not synonymous with all slavery but it sure is for slavery in Louisiana.

The team is in Louisiana.

They branded human beings they deemed to be property with that exact logo to return those who ran away... to Louisiana.

This is the same property that some owners would sexually assault, impregnate, then literally sell off their own children.

The act of “branding” literally makes my stomach turn to think about.

Retire it with another symbol that’s been around a long time, the swastika.

Are you seriously comparing it to a Nazi swastika?

[getbak]

The Eskimos are now facing pressure from one of the team's "Premier" sponsors (belairdirect insurance) to change their name or lose the sponsorship: https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/concrete...nged-1.5013949

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Mayo

If you do your research you’ll see that Native Americans themselves are somewhat split on the issue.

New Scientific Study Reaffirms that Native Peoples Are Deeply Insulted by the Washington Football Team's Name:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 12, 2020

Today, we stand united to end the use of offensive and racist Native mascots, behaviors and caricatures in sports.

Leaders, activists and organizations from Indian Country have gathered together to once again declare that the name of the Washington football team must change. They reaffirm their commitment to this goal based on a new, in-depth and profound scientific study conducted by the University of California, Berkeley and the University of Michigan.

For too long, Native leaders have been silenced by the use of opinion polls conducted by organizations and individuals who do not understand Native communities. Moreover, these polls have refused to release methodological details and data files, which leaves open the question, who are the Native people in these studies?

"IllumiNative was founded on research that revealed how invisibility, false narratives and toxic stereotypes fuel bias, discrimination and racism against Native Americans. The systemic erasure of Native Peoples from modern society has led to the fact that 78% of Americans know little to nothing about Native Americans, 72% rarely encounter information about Native Peoples and 66% of Americans don't think Native Peoples face discrimination. The limited exposure Americans have to Native peoples is rife with harmful stereotypes and representations that includes those perpetuated by Native American sports mascots, team names and racist fan traditions that are still celebrated within the NFL, MLB as well as college and K-12 sports."

https://news.yahoo.com/offensive-nat...141500930.html

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

And black folks use the N word, that doesn't make it okay for everyone else to.

Are you suggesting that a black highschool could name their football team the N***** and people would be okay with it because black folk can say it?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Eskimos are now facing pressure from one of the team's "Premier" sponsors (belairdirect insurance) to change their name or lose the sponsorship: https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/concrete...nged-1.5013949

That'll do it. Money moves everything.


At this point sports teams will no longer have nicknames. They will be corporate names just like the arena.


Scotiabank Calgary.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Mayo

Are you suggesting that a black highschool could name their football team the N***** and people would be okay with it because black folk can say it?

No, I'm saying just because they do something it doesn't mean it is okay for someone else.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Eskimos are now facing pressure from one of the team's "Premier" sponsors (belairdirect insurance) to change their name or lose the sponsorship: https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/concrete...nged-1.5013949

Eskimos have massive support from northern Inuit communities...

[dino7c]

It wasn't that long ago that TSN was making gay jokes about the Flames

There was a segment "what is a flame" or something along those lines where they talked to the players with lots of smirks and Innuendo by the commentators. Probably 10-15 years back

[Darth Tkachuk]

Offense is taken, not given in these instances. But those that go against the narrative must be canceled. The modern religion of woke demands that its worshipers set out to destroy all that may offend someone.