[News] Blackhawks officially announce a rebuild

[Scroopy Noopers]

Big Hanifin package for Kane wouldn’t make me upset at all...

Not Toews though. I’d rather pay for points than intangibles.

[djsFlames]

If they want to go all in on two more years of this group being together then Kane is the guy you pay futures for to push it over the top. I think him and Gaudreau as linemates would be a match made in hockey heaven and would almost offset the lack of an elite centerman.

[topfiverecords]

Get both Toews and Kane 50% retained for anything that doesn't include Tkachuk, Lindholm, Mang, Andersson, Valimaki, or Zary.

[Scroopy Noopers]

The next three seasons pay $7 mil, $6.9 mil, and $6.9 mil in real dollars to Kane... that has to be appealing to owners league wide.

[Toonage]

Send them both home.

Toews to Winnipeg and Kane to Buffalo

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Big Hanifin package for Kane wouldn’t make me upset at all...

Not Toews though. I’d rather pay for points than intangibles.

Toews would be the best offensive centre on the Flames? I think to make that work though we would have to send Backlund the other way, since they would fill a similar role.

[PepsiFree]

Given Bowman's track record, teams should be able to get Toews or Kane for a song, relatively speaking.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Send them both home.

Toews to Winnipeg and Kane to Buffalo

Riding the Titanic with Jack and Big Lips eh.

Maybe if he was an impending UFA.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Toews would be the best offensive centre on the Flames? I think to make that work though we would have to send Backlund the other way, since they would fill a similar role.

Monahan has outscored him 3 of the last 5 seasons, and tied once.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I kind of like the Hawks being honest about it. The whole point is to win the Cup. If you're not competitive enough you have to do something about it, it's better than being mediocre and hoping for the best and not getting anywhere. Good for them.

I agree.
I find it refreshing that a team will admit they're at that point and make a plan to get back to the top with a rebuild.
I bet it works too.

[Vinny01]

If the Hawks want to rebuild they will trade their big 3 of Toews, Kane and Keith. When it comes to Toews and Kane they will need to retain salary in order to get the value they want and likely 3-4M on Toews and 2-3M on Kane.

I don’t see a fit for the Flames for either player but feel like we would only have a shot at Toews as Kane would not waive for Western Canada.

Maybe the rumored Hall package for Toews?

Hanifin+Bennett for Toews (retained $3M) works out to a complete cap wash but the Flames would be down a player.

It would be a chips in the middle move.

[djsFlames]

Toews would be an upgrade on Backs and could rotate 1A/1B with Mony.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Toews would be an upgrade on Backs and could rotate 1A/1B with Mony.

Backlund is a guy I'd be really hesitant to trade at this point. He's such a warrior, been in Calgary forever. Feel like it could be one of those trades that would really hurt the locker room atmosphere.

Obviously it might still make sense in some situations, but still.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Hawks want to rebuild they will trade their big 3 of Toews, Kane and Keith. When it comes to Toews and Kane they will need to retain salary in order to get the value they want and likely 3-4M on Toews and 2-3M on Kane.

I don’t see a fit for the Flames for either player but feel like we would only have a shot at Toews as Kane would not waive for Western Canada.

Maybe the rumored Hall package for Toews?

Hanifin+Bennett for Toews (retained $3M) works out to a complete cap wash but the Flames would be down a player.

It would be a chips in the middle move.

not a good deal for the hawks. can't see them going for such a weak return, especially with retaining salary. I'd guess they'd as least want a 1st round pick added to that.

[GranteedEV]

Makes sense. Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook are done. They've already shipped out Hjalmarsson.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Kane is worth his salary. He's still a 100 point player.


I think they could get a great return on a retained Toews as well.

The only time in his entire career Toews has less than 50 points was the lockout year, when he had 48 in 47 (and won his 2nd of three rings).

He’s turning 32, and there’s no way he’s a liability to anyone for three years @ $7.5M.

There just aren’t that many $10M players out there. That seems to be a bit of a magic number for hockey players.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wouldn't surprised if the Hawks are sitting on a few deals right now and are just trying to break it to the fans slowly while trying to convince their veteran players (Toews, Kane and Keith) to waive their NMCs (which I assume they have).

[Buff]

I think Toews is overrated. At one point there was talk of him being the best in the game, or at least top three. I didn't see it. He is good however and I'd love to have him on the Flames. He would be a very beneficial add to this team, depending on the acquisition cost. The other thing is his salary. Hawks would have to retain.

I don't see a likely scenario that would bring Toews to Calgary.

I'd much rather have Kane over Toews, however, like Toews, I don't see it being realistic.

Nice to dream about what the team would like like with either of them on the roster though.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

not a good deal for the hawks. can't see them going for such a weak return, especially with retaining salary. I'd guess they'd as least want a 1st round pick added to that.

I would consider a lottery protected 1st in that deal.

What other offers do you think teams will make? In order to fit that contract in teams will have to send back toxic contracts and high end prospects.

My offer has no bad contracts and is 2 top 5 picks under 25 (not lived up to potential but still good players)

[FlamesAddiction]

I rarely do this, and I am sure it is about to become apparent why:

To Calgary:

Kane ($1.0 million retained)
Keith ($2.5 million retained)

To Chicago:

Hanifin
Mangiapane
Rittich
Ryan
2021 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick (becomes a 2022 1st if the Flames make the SCF in 2021 or 2022)


Justification:

The cap hit is a wash (considering that the Flames will need to add a min. salaried forward and goalie after the trade)

The Hawks need a goalie with some potential upside.

The Hawks will want a young, cost-controlled forward and defenseman back.

Ryan comes off the books next season, so while he wouldn't be valuable for their rebuild, he wouldn't hinder it. Plus, he could have some value at the trade deadline.

Draft picks are to convince the Hawks to retain salary (basically buying draft picks that may be on the roster by the time the rebuild is over), and to take Ryan from us.

While Keith is not the player he was, he would fill the gap left by Hanifin and IMO, is still an OK player.


Why it is a long shot:

Kane and Keith unlikely to waive NMCs.

It's pretty big disruption to chemistry giving up that many roster players at once.

Chicago likely does not care about possible later round 1sts to retain that much. Teams with more cap space can offer similar deals while retaining less.

Giving up potentially two 1sts puts us squarely in win-now and mortgages the future.

Because every trade proposal I make is just awful.