American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Swift]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

This basically sums up what I think of when I think of a "woke mob" - a bunch of largely inconsequential whining by simpletons. Meanwhile the videogame is massively popular and J.K. Rowling - the primary target of these dastardly buffoons - cries herself to sleep with her millions (billions?).

Their counterparts on the right have managed to stack the US Supreme Court and enact what amounts to minority rule in various places, but some people are obsessed with these ineffectual whiners for whatever reason.

It's possible to have disdain for both groups though. Hating what the twitter mobs do doesn't mean that you can't also hate what the right wing are doing. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Obviously they're at different levels of ####tiness but they're both still obnoxious twats.

It'd be like me arguing about drivers not signalling properly and someone coming along and saying "but drunk drivers are worse. I don't see you complaining about them" Different levels but still #######s.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

How about Tim Allen? No longer Buzz Lightyear and sitcom cancelled? Other than supporting Trump I don't think he's said anything ####ty. Not like JK Rowlings transphobic tweets or Armie Hammers rape fetishes.

Are you sure Allen did not get that role because of politics?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

How about Tim Allen? No longer Buzz Lightyear and sitcom cancelled? Other than supporting Trump I don't think he's said anything ####ty. Not like JK Rowlings transphobic tweets or Armie Hammers rape fetishes.

Well the fact he has already indicated he's voicing Lightyear for Toy Story 5, I'm not sure how much of a "cancel" he had. Getting replaced for a completely different iteration of the character in an entire different product is like saying that Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen got cancelled too.

But then he should be cancelled. He should be in jail for life. But he ratted out his buddy coke dealers, still ended up with a DUI, made and defended racist remarks, showed his schlong to unexpecting women, dude is sort of case in point that cancel culture doesn't exist.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by girlysports

how about tim allen? No longer buzz lightyear and sitcom cancelled? Other than supporting trump i don't think he's said anything ####ty. Not like jk rowlings transphobic tweets or armie hammers rape fetishes.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1623479040295456768

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Al Franken was the best the Democrats had in terms of an honest politician, and he was cancelled because he mimed groping a woman on a plane, as a throwback to his time as a comedian. I would say that he was cancelled to make room for a candidate who was/is more palatable to the establishment.

He chose to leave.

He could have road it out to the next election to see if he was primaried and if primaried would he have lost. He cancelled himself to avoid making the democrats look like hypocrits and likely establishment democrats didn’t seem to like him either. Do you know who didn’t cancel himself Brett Kavanaugh

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So lets hear it, who has the left "cancelled" that wasn't just the case that reality caught up to ####ty people?

No, let's not hear it. Every time someone posts something like this, there's page after page of wasted posting explaining exactly why it's a simplistic take that entirely misses the point from myriad different angles, we get a bunch of sarcastic smarmy posts intentionally missing the point from the usual suspects who enjoy that sort of thing, the whole "debate" goes nowhere, and then three months later we have the same boring ####ing argument over again. It's not entertaining, it's not intellectually stimulating or challenging, no one has anything novel to say, so why should we do this dumb, pointless dance again for the hundredth time?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No, let's not hear it. Every time someone posts something like this, there's page after page of wasted posting explaining exactly why it's a simplistic take that entirely misses the point from myriad different angles, we get a bunch of sarcastic smarmy posts intentionally missing the point from the usual suspects who enjoy that sort of thing, the whole "debate" goes nowhere, and then three months later we have the same boring ####ing argument over again. It's not entertaining, it's not intellectually stimulating or challenging, no one has anything novel to say, so why should we do this dumb, pointless dance again for the hundredth time?

If you eliminate the sarcastic smarmy posts, and the non intellectually stimulating or challenging posts we might as well all go home.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

https://twitter.com/user/status/1623479040295456768

I might sound stupid here, but what am I missing with this tweet?

[GGG]

They are making more Toy Story movies with Tim Allen

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

This basically sums up what I think of when I think of a "woke mob" - a bunch of largely inconsequential whining by simpletons. Meanwhile the videogame is massively popular and J.K. Rowling - the primary target of these dastardly buffoons - cries herself to sleep with her millions (billions?).

Their counterparts on the right have managed to stack the US Supreme Court and enact what amounts to minority rule in various places, but some people are obsessed with these ineffectual whiners for whatever reason.

'Inconsequential' is not giving them enough credit, though 'ineffectual' gets a lot closer. Their pissing and moaning can have some consequences, but none of it actually does much good in actually addressing anything of meaning or importance to core issues on a subject.

Again, to use the Hogwarts Legacy example, targeting the video game and people who play it for JK Rowling's allegedly controversial opinions on gender / trans issues accomplishes sweet bugger all for actual trans rights issues, but man does it make those activists look like assh-les who have nothing better to do. The Twitter "woke mob" turns off people who might otherwise side with them on an issue because they focus on meaningless sh-t and harass people for the tiniest of perceived transgressions. Then reasonable people get annoyed because "Ah, these f-cking people again, this is why we can't have nice things".

The phenomenon of the "woke mob", as I understand it, is just giving a name to a group of people engaging in performative slacktivism.

The "I wish we lived in a theocracy" right-wing is a major problem that needs to be addressed, but I think for the most part that's assumed. The left-wing "woke mob" is just f-cking annoying. Cancer is a major problem, mosquitos are f-cking annoying, but it sure seems like when the mosquitos come out, there's a lot of f-ckin' mosquitos around and people remark on it.

[Cappy]

Apparently "woke" just means inclusive now:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...e-legged-legos

[Cappy]

I love the only examples of "successful" cancellations are from hardcore video game / children's books fans with literally nothing better to do.

I doubt the average person knows any of these things, much less gives a flying frack.

Also, i am pretty sure Hogwarts game is doing pretty well, despite the "mob"; and this probably wouldnt have been a thing if JK Rowling didnt double down on the trans stuff after getting some push back

[TorqueDog]

Tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point.

You're gonna give Nostradamus over here an ego complex.

[opendoor]

It's true though. How is a bunch of losers on social media whining about a video game any different than something like fundamentalist Christians protesting heavy metal concerts in the '80s? I don't think anyone would argue that metal bands were "cancelled" by a mob. The people who enjoyed it still enjoyed it, and the whiners were basically inconsequential and just made themselves look like idiots.

The only real examples of people/things getting cancelled due to something they say or do are when the fans or people who buy the product react negatively. And that has always happened, which is why anyone with good PR has always stayed away from issues that are controversial with their fans/customers.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

'Inconsequential' is not giving them enough credit, though 'ineffectual' gets a lot closer. Their pissing and moaning can have some consequences, but none of it actually does much good in actually addressing anything of meaning or importance to core issues on a subject.

Again, to use the Hogwarts Legacy example, targeting the video game and people who play it for JK Rowling's allegedly controversial opinions on gender / trans issues accomplishes sweet bugger all for actual trans rights issues, but man does it make those activists look like assh-les who have nothing better to do. The Twitter "woke mob" turns off people who might otherwise side with them on an issue because they focus on meaningless sh-t and harass people for the tiniest of perceived transgressions. Then reasonable people get annoyed because "Ah, these f-cking people again, this is why we can't have nice things".

The phenomenon of the "woke mob", as I understand it, is just giving a name to a group of people engaging in performative slacktivism.

The "I wish we lived in a theocracy" right-wing is a major problem that needs to be addressed, but I think for the most part that's assumed. The left-wing "woke mob" is just f-cking annoying. Cancer is a major problem, mosquitos are f-cking annoying, but it sure seems like when the mosquitos come out, there's a lot of f-ckin' mosquitos around and people remark on it.

I basically agree with everything you said, but don't underestimate the mosquito! It's the world's most dangerous non-human animal. The World Heath Organization estimates that mosquitos are responsible for 725,000 human deaths a year. By comparison, sharks only killed 9 people in 2022!

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I love the only examples of "successful" cancellations are from hardcore video game / children's books fans with literally nothing better to do.

I doubt the average person knows any of these things, much less gives a flying frack.

Also, i am pretty sure Hogwarts game is doing pretty well, despite the "mob"; and this probably wouldnt have been a thing if JK Rowling didnt double down on the trans stuff after getting some push back

There's also a group upset the game has racial diversity and something about women. They are raging about historical accuracy.

[Matata]

It's small-time content creators that get smashed by the reckless application of, uh, accountability culture. Small creators depend on their connection to things like social media, patreon-style companies and other tech platforms just to stay afloat. People at those companies will drop a small creator like a hot potato if they become overwhelmed by the out-lash from progressives on social media for even a moment. This can all happen within an hour and the creator has no recourse and are lucky if they can even start again from scratch.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^ Is there any evidence of that happening anywhere ever? Honestly, this sounds like a made up problem. How do these people even make it on anyone's radar to experience this "backlash"?

[holden]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I might sound stupid here, but what am I missing with this tweet?

GirlySports believes everything he reads on facebook sent from his aunt, and Disney is indeed making more Toy Story movies with Tim Allen.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by holden

GirlySports believes everything he reads on facebook sent from his aunt, and Disney is indeed making more Toy Story movies with Tim Allen.

If I understand the penalty for misgendering, someone's a'getting motherf-ckin' cancelled up in this thread.