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Old 11-14-2021, 11:25 PM   #201
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Disagree. A lot of people , on both the left and right, mostly the left, are starting with the conclusion here. Rittenhouse is a dopey, trump loving idiot I'd want nothing to do with in my own personal life. But that doesn't make him guilty. This is as far as a lot of the left has thought this case thru.
Are you arguing he was morally right to shoot these people or legally right?
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:29 PM   #202
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Are you arguing he was morally right to shoot these people or legally right?
At the end of the day legally right is all that matters in the courts.
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:34 PM   #203
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This kid is getting off and there will be riots to follow
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:34 PM   #204
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At the end of the day legally right is all that matters in the courts.
It appears though most people in the thread are in roughly the same position of likely legal, morally wrong so you get a lot of people talking past each other.
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Are you arguing he was morally right to shoot these people or legally right?
I don't think I've taken a position on the morality other than to say he was a dopey trump supporting idiot. Legally he will obviously be found not guilty barring some horrible miscarriage of justice.

Morally? Shoulda stayed home. Or not go running around with an AR
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Old 11-15-2021, 04:44 AM   #206
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If this kid was black hanging out around civil discourse with an illegal gun.. illegal to own for himself....

It would be the prosecution being the one arguing how the best way to rope him up at noon on Sunday in town Square for people to watch in their Sunday bests .

But white kid playing vigilante with a history of talking about shooting criminals (video evidence he often played vigilante ) "patrolling a group protesting a white cop killing a black man ( again).

O my the white privilege will win and the Southern strategy the republican party worked for nearly a century to engrain like the dude, will obide
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Old 11-15-2021, 04:52 AM   #207
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I don't think I've taken a position on the morality other than to say he was a dopey trump supporting idiot. Legally he will obviously be found not guilty barring some horrible miscarriage of justice.

Morally? Shoulda stayed home. Or not go running around with an AR
How was it legal in your mind or others ?

Wasn't from the state ,illegally transported a ar 15 which he wasn't allowed to possess in the sate ( or his own)
Illegally stated he was their to do security and be a medic, got out on bail , broke conditions of that bail by going to a bar ( condition was no alchohol) but his mom bought it for him Which is legal in Wisconsin if he wasn't prohibited to drink, then hung out with a white supprmissist club throwing up nazi signs.

He couldn't even adhere to his bail conditions for a mere few hours.

If this kid was black he would have already been charged with murder ,trafficking weapons, gang associations and bail ..ya right, you can forget about bail.
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But the medic pointed a gun at him!!!!!

Duh, Rittenhouse had already killed a few guys before that even happened. If any thing the medic should had shot Rittenhouse . He didn't tho he pointed it at him , then pointed it away, Rittenhouse had the gun drawn on him the whole time so the medic pointed it at him again that's when he fired.

Before the medic had even pointed a gun at him he had already shot multiple people dead.

He actively went to shoot people, He was an active shooter . People did exactly what the right and nra have been preaching for years to do. Be a "Hero" and stop an active shooter and that's what happened .

A white supprmissist shot people for protesting black rights and is crying foul that he is a victim.

He shouldn't have been there ,it wasn't his town or anything, gun trafficking a illegally owned weapon, falsely represented him self as security and a medic. He dosent have credentials for either . All these lies than straight up murdered mutiple people. 1 shot , 2 shots maybe but he shot a AR15 many times more . 1 person alone had 4 connected shots. How many more missed.

His intent clearly was to be a fake hero and people died due to this.
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How was it legal in your mind or others ?

Wasn't from the state ,illegally transported a ar 15 which he wasn't allowed to possess in the sate ( or his own)
Illegally stated he was their to do security and be a medic, got out on bail , broke conditions of that bail by going to a bar ( condition was no alchohol) but his mom bought it for him Which is legal in Wisconsin if he wasn't prohibited to drink, then hung out with a white supprmissist club throwing up nazi signs.

He couldn't even adhere to his bail conditions for a mere few hours.

If this kid was black he would have already been charged with murder ,trafficking weapons, gang associations and bail ..ya right, you can forget about bail.
what the hell are you talking about? seriously?

he didnt transport the ar 15 it was already in state
his dad worked there and he had a lot of other connections to kenosha, it wasnt some random decision he made
he wasnt on bail... he has no criminal history
there is no evidence he was drinking..
the weapon was technically legal for him as the judge has already ruled on that, unless the prosecution can prove the barrel was shorter than 16"
there is video evidence of him helping people

what colour is the sky in your world?

as for your absurd reductive logic about him shooting people protesting for black rights... ok, lets play that game. why are you so upset he shot a pedophile who attacked him and threatened to murder him? do you have a soft spot for convicted pedophiles? see how stupid this game is? stick to the facts.

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This ‘if he was black...’ stuff is terrible hypothetical whataboutism. If there were a black person in the same situation, and faced consequences that were neither just nor legal, that should absolutely not be the benchmark.
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This Ďif he was black...í stuff is terrible hypothetical whataboutism. If there were a black person in the same situation, and faced consequences that were neither just nor legal, that should absolutely not be the benchmark.
What do you mean hypothetical whataboutism? Itís a commentary on the disparity between how Black and white people are treatedÖ which is the root of this entire issue. One we basically know to be true. You even gave a hypothetical about how, if someone holds a knife to you then turns and walks away, you canít shoot them in self defence, which, ironically, is nearly exactly what happened to Jacob Blake and caused this in the first place.

Terrible? No dude, this situation is terrible. People commenting on the reality of it is just part of the deal.
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you canít shoot them in self defence, which, ironically, is nearly exactly what happened to Jacob Blake and caused this in the first place.
After a violent confrontation where he approached the children of the woman he (allegedly) raped and robbed.*
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What do you mean hypothetical whataboutism? It’s a commentary on the disparity between how Black and white people are treated… which is the root of this entire issue.
Worth pointing out that the little racist is actually for the disparity in the way races are treated. Which is part of why people are so angry, of course. For many people just like Rittenhouse - and probably him - black people (and antifa haha) are actually at fault for the events of that night.
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he didnt transport the ar 15 it was already in state
There has been a lot of confusion on this point, because if the gun was taken back to Illinois with him, the same problem exists of carrying the weapon across state lines. It has been widely believed that the weapon was taken back to Illinois and surrendered to police when Rittenhouse turned himself in. While the weapon was turned in by Dominick Black at the same time as Rittenhouse's surrender, it was done so by the person who was the legal owner of the weapon (whi is facing 25 years in prison for furnishing the weapon to a minor), still in Wisconsin. This is also a really interesting point that speaks to Black's and Rittenhouse's states of mind. The weapon behind because he was aware of the transport restriction. Seems pretty clear thinking and there being no fog of war, so to speak.

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his dad worked there and he had a lot of other connections to kenosha, it wasnt some random decision he made
Hi legal residence and guardian was in Illinois. His dad has nothing to do with this. His legal guardian, his mother, had no idea what he was doing on the evening in question. Neither did his father. Rittenhouse was staying at Black's house unbeknownst to either parent. His father was a deadbeat dad according to court records, and the relationship between Kyle and him is largely unknown.

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he wasnt on bail... he has no criminal history
Rittenhouse was released on $2 million bail after his arrest. The bail was paid for largely on contributions from MyPillow's Mike Lundell and actor Rickey Schoeder.

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there is no evidence he was drinking..
TMZ says otherwise, and has the photo and video proof of that.

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the weapon was technically legal for him as the judge has already ruled on that, unless the prosecution can prove the barrel was shorter than 16"
there is video evidence of him helping people
Actually, he wasn't. That is why Dominick Black is facing 25 years in prison for furnishing the weapon to the minor.

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what colour is the sky in your world?

as for your absurd reductive logic about him shooting people protesting for black rights... ok, lets play that game. why are you so upset he shot a pedophile who attacked him and threatened to murder him? do you have a soft spot for convicted pedophiles? see how stupid this game is? stick to the facts.
Yes, you should stick the facts as well, because you're coming up short on quite a few of them.


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This Ďif he was black...í stuff is terrible hypothetical whataboutism. If there were a black person in the same situation, and faced consequences that were neither just nor legal, that should absolutely not be the benchmark.
Are you kidding me? This whole thing started because a black man was shot multiple times in the back for having a knife in his vehicle. Just attempting to get into that vehicle where the knife was had him executed in front of his child sitting in the rear of the vehicle. If a black man grabs an AR-15 and guns down three white men in the street, he is not being allowed to walk away with that gun strapped to his chest and then allowed to turn himself in a few days later. He's being gunned down on the spot, as has been proven time-and-time again. Your ignorance of that reality is what is terrible.
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he wasnt on bail... he has no criminal history
combustionfuel is talking about after the events where he went out and partied with a bunch of racists after posting bail. It makes him a reprehensible and immoral person no doubt but has little bearing on the legality of his actions that night.

Which I think most people who understand and followed the trial agree on. He's a disgusting ######bag racist who probably was hoping to kill some rioters but the self-defense defense will most likely work.
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Yes, you should stick the facts as well, because you're coming up short on quite a few of them.

Are you kidding me? This whole thing started because a black man was shot multiple times in the back for having a knife in his vehicle. Just attempting to get into that vehicle where the knife was had him executed in front of his child sitting in the rear of the vehicle.
The knife was in his hand as he was shot. While the mother (the woman he had raped (allegedly)) was screaming about her children as Blake approached them. Whether he turned to the officer or not I think is super debatable, but as an officer how do you let a violent man approach children with a knife as the victim mother screams? Like Blake himself says "he wasn't thinking right". He caused all the issues, including knowingly violating a court order.

Also he was not executed. Despite maybe best efforts he is alive today.

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The issue at hand is the trail of one individual. This specific case is not about inequalities or disparity between how races are treated by the law, and it can’t be framed as such. The situation and the actions of those involved are relevant. The entire social structure of america can not fairly be considered here.

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but it sure sounds like some are looking at this case and it’s outcome through a lens of social inequality with some weird brand of retributive Justice.

Yeah, the entire situation is ####ed. From the 15th century to today, it’s no good man. But that absolutely is not at the feet of this guilt or innocence in the case. Everyone knows that, but it sure sounds like some don’t want it that way.
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Are you kidding me? This whole thing started because a black man was shot multiple times in the back for having a knife in his vehicle. Just attempting to get into that vehicle where the knife was had him executed in front of his child sitting in the rear of the vehicle. If a black man grabs an AR-15 and guns down three white men in the street, he is not being allowed to walk away with that gun strapped to his chest and then allowed to turn himself in a few days later. He's being gunned down on the spot, as has been proven time-and-time again. Your ignorance of that reality is what is terrible.
Thatís not whatís on trial here though. Itís not my ignorance, itís the fact.

We can talk about all those things, and we do around here. But your applying sentiments where they donít belong.
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Is Grosskreutz not just the other side of the coin to Rittenhouse too? Both stylized themselves as there to offer medical help while arming themselves for self-defense.

I wonder how it would have played out if Grosskreutz was able to get his shot off first.
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I love guns, own over 10, but I am firmly against using them for any sort of self-defence. They're just the wrong tool for that job and I think any kind of public carry, open or concealed, is just insane
I don't think many people would argue that it is within your right to defend your property or family with a firearm. If someone is breaking into your home, you should have every right to defend yourself.

But going out on the streets into riots, etc.....as Canadians we don't understand that, and I think that is something we should be proud of as a country.
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