COVID-19 Vaccine Talk, 2nd Dose

[Boreal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1432331121274994689

[EldrickOnIce]

Hmm. Lots of chatter in the daily NY Times email that the need for boosters because of waning immunity is probably overstated.
This is an excerpt from the email.

The bottom line
Here’s my best attempt to give you an objective summary of the evidence, free from alarmism — and acknowledging uncertainty:

Immunity does probably wane modestly within the first year of receiving a shot. For this reason, booster shots make sense for vulnerable people, many experts believe. As Dr. Céline Gounder of Bellevue Hospital Center told my colleague Apoorva Mandavilli, the C.D.C.’s data “support giving additional doses of vaccine to highly immunocompromised persons and nursing home residents, not to the general public.”

The current booster shots may do little good for most people. The vaccines continue to provide excellent protection against illness (as opposed to merely a positive Covid test). People will eventually need boosters, but it may make more sense to wait for one specifically designed to combat a variant. “We don’t know whether a non-Delta booster would improve protection against Delta,” Dr. Aaron Richterman of the University of Pennsylvania told me.

A national policy of frequent booster shots has significant costs, financially and otherwise. Among other things, the exaggerated discussion of waning immunity contributes to vaccine skepticism.

While Americans are focusing on booster shots, other policies may do much more to beat back Covid, including more vaccine mandates in the U.S.; a more rapid push to vaccinate the world (and prevent other variants from taking root); and an accelerated F.D.A. study of vaccines for children.

As always, we should be open to changing our minds as we get new evidence. As Richterman puts it, “We have time to gather the appropriate evidence before rushing into boosters.”

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Hmm. Lots of chatter in the daily NY Times email that the need for boosters because of waning immunity is probably overstated.
This is an excerpt from the email.

The infectious disease specialised they had on the Protect Our Province covid briefing today said nearly as much. Basically: first dose = required, second dose = shores up protection for severe outcomes, third dose = icing on the cake for most people but much more relevant if Delta-specific.

I believe Pfizer and Moderna are developing boosters specifically for Delta.

[EldrickOnIce]

Yeah. We bathe in vaccine while the rest of the world goes without. Feels pretty wrong.
And yes, I will be there first in line for a third shot if/when eligible.

[woolymammoth]

So, how long does everyone figure until you need 3 to be considered fully vaxxed. Or how long before I get called an anti vaxxer by the CP faithful for only having 2/3.

This is fun!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

So, how long does everyone figure until you need 3 to be considered fully vaxxed. Or how long before I get called an anti vaxxer by the CP faithful for only having 2/3.

This is fun!

How long until you grow up? You haven’t once posted anything of value, instead just dumb, snarky little comments about the board.

If you don’t like it here, don’t be here. Nobody cares, nobody is asking or waiting for your contribution, and when you stop posting, nobody will remember you were here in the first place.

Just a suggestion. The constant “CP faithful” stuff is getting a bit tired. If you’re not smart enough to raise the bar, maybe it’s time to move on friend.

[woolymammoth]

^^ serious non tough guy responses only please

[woolymammoth]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you don’t like it here, don’t be here. Nobody cares, nobody is asking or waiting for your contribution, and when you stop posting, nobody will remember you were here in the first place.

All true for you as well my dude

[Benched]

Thinking wife should get her third - to be Az/Pfizer/Pfizer and potentially eliminate travel issues in the future.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

All true for you as well my dude

Sure thing. Again, actually participate instead of presenting absolutely nothing of value or interest. That’s all. I’m sure you have a brain, so feel free to use it. You’re on a forum with other human beings, not just random internet bots here to watch you deal with your own main character syndrome fighting against “the mob” or whatever. Grow up, or ship out.

There’s nothing tough guy about it. Smarten up and be an adult.

[woolymammoth]

PM me if you're so butthurt. I'm asking a question on a forum. Get over yourself.

[Looch City]

Here's a question: why are you the way you are?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

PM me if you're so butthurt. I'm asking a question on a forum. Get over yourself.

Not butthurt, just honest. If you want better answers, ask your questions better.

This is not hard to figure out. I believe in your ability to do so.

[woolymammoth]

You actually didn't answer either of my questions. You've made 3 "honest" unrelated posts to my questions while bashing my character. Like I said, PM me if you'd like to have a battle. If not, answer my questions and set your ego aside or just don't respond to my posts if they set you off?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The infectious disease specialised they had on the Protect Our Province covid briefing today said nearly as much. Basically: first dose = required, second dose = shores up protection for severe outcomes, third dose = icing on the cake for most people but much more relevant if Delta-specific.

I believe Pfizer and Moderna are developing boosters specifically for Delta.

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

So, how long does everyone figure until you need 3 to be considered fully vaxxed. Or how long before I get called an anti vaxxer by the CP faithful for only having 2/3.

This is fun!

There really isn't a question in your moronic hot take, but Pepsi did in fact answer your non question.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

You actually didn't answer either of my questions. You've made 3 "honest" unrelated posts to my questions while bashing my character. Like I said, PM me if you'd like to have a battle. If not, answer my questions and set your ego aside or just don't respond to my posts if they set you off?

Feel free to read the thread if you want your answer. Considering nobody actually knows the answer to your first question, and your second question was another borderline idiotic troll attempt that makes you look like a child, it's hard to know how gift-wrapped you'd like the answer. However, we know what's going down in Israel, and if you'd like to watch the Protect Our Province briefing from last night you can get an expert's opinion on third doses.

There's no ego, nobody is "set off" and there will be no PM. If you want to troll the "CP faithful" with another stupid snarky comment, take the response like an adult instead of crying about moving it to PM. There's no battle to be had because that suggests you have something to bring to the table, and you very clearly don't.

Again, grow up and participate honestly, or don't. And if you want to participate in the same way you've been doing, then you should be an adult and accept the responses you end up with. This isn't hard. Is it for you?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

So, how long does everyone figure until you need 3 to be considered fully vaxxed. Or how long before I get called an anti vaxxer by the CP faithful for only having 2/3.

This is fun!

Presuming you are serious

1) As data shows an increase in severe outcomes in the 2 dose vaccinated crowd it would be reasonable at that time for Phac to recommend third doses to be considered fully vaccinated. I suspect the next 6-12 months

2) If you don’t follow vaccine recommendations by Canada /Alberta health you are to some degree anti - vaccine. So once there are no lines for third doses, and third dose are the recommended policy you would be anti vaccine if you have not gotten one. Or perhaps Vaccine Lazy but from a risk standpoint it’s the same.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Benched

Thinking wife should get her third - to be Az/Pfizer/Pfizer and potentially eliminate travel issues in the future.

Unless you're travelling out of the country sometime soon (or might need to leave the country on less than 2 weeks notice), I'd hold off for now. It sounds like we might be getting updates to the mRNA vaccines that better target Delta and the other variants.

[woolymammoth]

Pepsifree are you done beating your chest yet?

^^
Very serious, and it will be interesting to see how that all plays out with everyone's 1st and 2nd doses happening at different times and different age and risk categories being considered to require the doses more than others. Does this hit straight across the board when the 3rd requirement falls, or will they come out with something that makes sense is the hope I guess...

For instance, for myself there is research that points to post covid recoveries showing strong immune responses to the first dose but next to no benefit from the second one (in my risk category). Now that this has been around for 2 years and is showing no signs of going anywhere it would just be nice If the rules regarding what is right or wrong started to fall more in line with realistic.

I guess what I am saying is- I'm 32, I was covid positive and had a sore throat one morning that was gone the same day and had zero other symptoms. I stayed home from work and got tested despite thinking I didn't have covid. followed all the rules and was dumbfounded when I got the positive result and that's how I was able to avoid any serious outcomes for myself or anyone in my life. Now that I have had it, and know where I fall in terms of risk, and with the information on breakthrough Cases and transmission. I'm not really open to the idea of continually getting boosters when there are others who need them much more than myself.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

I'm not really open to the idea of continually getting boosters when there are others who need them much more than myself.

We aren’t in a supply shortage so this concern doesn’t really hold up anymore.

So when you use non-issues to justify not getting boosters when recommended, that’s when you become an anti-vaxxer. To answer your question.