It will probably end up in better training and a revised model that prioritizes community outreach, like it historically has.
You don't even have to wonder. You could just go and look it up.
And of course better training equals more funding, right?
It is becoming pretty evident that most police don't receive near enough training to help the deal with everyday situations.
So, not sure how defunding is going to help that.
But of course right now most decisions are being made on emotional reactions. You are right, there are certain cities that have had massive success with retooling their police force to focus on actual helping the public and community outreach instead of just 'responding' to threats.
Of course nobody cares about that because that headline doesn't sell.
Note this is the Buffalo PD, the exact same force that violently pushed down that old man a few weeks ago. Even now, when they KNOW there's a spotlight on them, when they KNOW they're being recorded, they still harass and intimidate people who have done nothing wrong. How are they so stupid? If the had any brains whatsoever one would think they'd have enough sense to be on their best behaviour and do everything by the book at least for a few weeks until this blows over, but they just can't help themselves.
Like most military units that get out of control, it all comes down to terrible leadership creating a culture where this stuff has probably been acceptable for years, but only now being consistently focused on.
I read the other day that the majority of official complaints filed against police officers are filed by fellow cops. So if you have a cop with a long history of incidents still on the force, and still creating issues it means leadership is not handling the situations properly.
And of course better training equals more funding, right?
It is becoming pretty evident that most police don't receive near enough training to help the deal with everyday situations.
So, not sure how defunding is going to help that.
But of course right now most decisions are being made on emotional reactions. You are right, there are certain cities that have had massive success with retooling their police force to focus on actual helping the public and community outreach instead of just 'responding' to threats.
Of course nobody cares about that because that headline doesn't sell.
This has been mentioned about a million times but defunding doesn't simply mean cutting the budget. It means retooling. It means putting some of that budget elsewhere, reducing police salaries (while even increasing the number of police available), putting more money into training vs military equipment, etc.
Yes, defunding is probably the worst possible term, but used in this context, it doesn't mean "take all the money away."
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And of course better training equals more funding, right?
Wrong. better training =/= more funding. Just the opposite. Better training means less funding required as the police are better prepared to handle situations and the negative outcomes are less costly.
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It is becoming pretty evident that most police don't receive near enough training to help the deal with everyday situations.
That's because departments are busy spending money on military equipment and then the training it takes to use that equipment. This funnels money away from less expensive training that could help all officers and turns it into very expensive specialized training for a select few officers.
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So, not sure how defunding is going to help that.
Defunding is a mechanism of shift fiscal resources from one division in government to another. This means the budget shrinks for one and expands for another. For the police this means their budget shrinks and they have to make fiscal decisions on operational needs. The money is channeled toward completing the mission of the department and not on specialized divisions that are costly to operate.
For example, when my agency lost funding they reorganized and focused efforts on completing the mission. They mothballed a number of specialized units (Special Investigations Division, components of SWAT, reductions in motors, etc.) and went back to more tradition policing models with vanilla beat squads, detective unit, and a dual purpose SWAT team. All the expense was cut but service levels maintained.
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But of course right now most decisions are being made on emotional reactions. You are right, there are certain cities that have had massive success with retooling their police force to focus on actual helping the public and community outreach instead of just 'responding' to threats.
Of course nobody cares about that because that headline doesn't sell.
Yes, emotions play a role in decision making, but most governments make decisions based on needs determined by significant study. They know what the needs of their constituents are and address them accordingly. For the vast majority of municipalities across the country things run really well and the trust in the institutions of local government remain high. And yes, those stories are told in the media, they just don't grab the attention of the public. There's too much negative stuff going on elsewhere that bumps the good news from the news hole.
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This reminded me of what happened when I lived in South Carolina.... The team of analysts I worked with was primarily female and black. (something like 10/12) So when we would go to lunch, it would be me the white man and several black women. The very first time I went with them they told me the waitress would give me the check for everyone. And, when it was time, she did. This happened multiple times. They told me it was because people assumed I was the boss taking his employees out for dinner.
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And of course better training equals more funding, right?
It is becoming pretty evident that most police don't receive near enough training to help the deal with everyday situations.
So, not sure how defunding is going to help that.
But of course right now most decisions are being made on emotional reactions. You are right, there are certain cities that have had massive success with retooling their police force to focus on actual helping the public and community outreach instead of just 'responding' to threats.
Of course nobody cares about that because that headline doesn't sell.
I think it's important not to confuse training with policy. In many of these incidents the police are acting how they have been trained. It could be schematics, but I personally think there're three key elements. Hiring, Policy and Training in that order.
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I think it's important not to confuse training with policy. In many of these incidents the police are acting how they have been trained. It could be schematics, but I personally think there're three key elements. Hiring, Policy and Training in that order.
Cops deal with all kinds of different situations, and by all accounts are not properly trained on most, nor is there a playbook (probably due to a lack of proper policy or training available).
I think that is being exposed a lot.
Like Lanny said, most police departments have been militizing the police force. That includes not only the equipment they use, but also how they respond. How many years have we been hearing about SWAT teams raiding homes of completely innocent people? Or the fact that people could 'swat' other people they didn't like?
There have been people who have been saying for years that cops acting like the military, or having military resources will make them respond to incidents like the military would, but WITHOUT the actual training that the military would have.
I guess that is exactly what we are seeing.
From 2011.
How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police
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At around 9:00 a.m. on May 5, 2011, officers with the Pima County, Arizona, Sheriff's Department's Special Weapons and Tactics (S.W.A.T.) team surrounded the home of 26-year-old José Guerena, a former U.S. Marine and veteran of two tours of duty in Iraq, to serve a search warrant for narcotics. As the officers approached, Guerena lay sleeping in his bedroom after working the graveyard shift at a local mine. When his wife Vanessa woke him up, screaming that she had seen a man outside the window pointing a gun at her, Guerena grabbed his AR-15 rifle, instructed Vanessa to hide in the closet with their four-year old son, and left the bedroom to investigate.
Within moments, and without Guerena firing a shot—or even switching his rifle off of "safety"—he lay dying, his body riddled with 60 bullets. A subsequent investigation revealed that the initial shot that prompted the S.W.A.T. team barrage came from a S.W.A.T. team gun, not Guerena's. Guerena, reports later revealed, had no criminal record, and no narcotics were found at his home.
You believe that a majority of “defund the police supporters” would like to completely abolish police?
I'm saying that there is a certain segment of the 'defund' movement that wants to abolish the police, or at the very least seriously restrict their resources & ability to do their job.
Sure am not seeing 'retool' or 'revamp' the police. Defund means exactly that. Getting rid of the police budget.
“Defunding police means defunding police," the congresswoman said in a statement. "It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. It does not mean moving school police officers from the NYPD budget to the Department of Education’s budget so the exact same police remain in schools."
Of course, lets just ignore the increased amount in shootings in many cities as well.
I'm saying that there is a certain segment of the 'defund' movement that wants to abolish the police, or at the very least seriously restrict their resources & ability to do their job.
Sure am not seeing 'retool' or 'revamp' the police. Defund means exactly that. Getting rid of the police budget.
“Defunding police means defunding police," the congresswoman said in a statement. "It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. It does not mean moving school police officers from the NYPD budget to the Department of Education’s budget so the exact same police remain in schools."
Of course, lets just ignore the increased amount in shootings in many cities as well.
Kettle is gonna blow eventually.
And a certain segment of the ;population thinks vaccines cause autism and that the world is flat. Using extremists to try and prove your point does nothing but invalidate it.
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Which is what SHOULD be said. But its not. Because those people dominating the headlines are those that want to literally defund and don't care what is left.
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And a certain segment of the ;population thinks vaccines cause autism and that the world is flat. Using extremists to try and prove your point does nothing but invalidate it.
My point is being proven by what is dominating the headlines in most major areas.
And I also need not remind everyone that most of those areas are seeing an uptick in violent crime.
Which is what SHOULD be said. But its not. Because those people dominating the headlines are those that want to literally defund and don't care what is left.
Some of them, yes, but that's not the consensus.
Just google "defund the police" and click on one of the many reputable explainers which include quotes from everyone including policymakers, sociologists, and activists, and you'll learn what it means.
The general consensus is also that the term being popularized is misleading, and detracts from the movement, because it allows people like yourself to dismiss it based on the name alone.
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