American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772298169889526254

This is just more theater to make it seem like the US justice system is functioning, but in the end Donnie will skate by as he always does

[Wastedyouth]

Surely now they have him!

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I love it when Biden gets snarky / trollish

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772084227200164325

But Biden can ride a bike. Let’s see Trump do that.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Weird/scary that he'd say 'the biggest banks are outside our country' as they arent, the US dominates world banking, three out of the top 5 banks are American, JP Morgan at nos 1 has double the market capital of the closest Chinese competitor at nos 3, this means either he's an utter moron (quite possible) or does almost no banking in the US so just has convinced himself the offshore banks he has to use are the biggest (more likely)

It really depends how you measure. In terms of total assets, the top banks are all the Chinese government ones. And obviously if you consider all of those are just Chinese state banks, you could make the argument that the distinction between them is meaningless in terms of judging which bank is the "biggest", in which case it's not even remotely close.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The Donald craves and needs attention so badly. The constant whining about how people don't give him credit and treat him unfairly compared to others, coupled with all the times he talks or posts about how great he is or how correct he was, is just pretty sad. If Trump was on CP, he'd be constantly posting about how he was right x months ago lol.

And I'm sure it'll come as a surprise to absolutely nobody, but Trump's history of cheating and lying at golf is fairly well documented

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by indes

Its mind boggling that the choices for the leader of free world are Trump and Biden.

American low point? I mean, its just sad. Not that I think either of Trudeau or Polliviere are great leaders but at least they're not a fall away from retirement.

Is Biden really a bad candidate? He’s old but he’s been a good president all things considered. He’s certainly a far superior politician to either of Trudeau or PP.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Is Biden really a bad candidate? He’s old but he’s been a good president all things considered. He’s certainly a far superior politician to either of Trudeau or PP.

He's old alright and he doesn't inspire any confidence. How many high functioning 81 year olds are there? Even if he can come out and give a decent speech every once in a while it's hard to picture him behind the scenes putting in the work. It just baffles me that neither party has anything better than this. Sleepy joe or the orange goblin, what a timeline.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by indes

it's hard to picture him behind the scenes putting in the work

He has, whether it's "hard for you to picture it" or not.

- American Rescue Plan
- Build Back Better
- Inflation Reduction Act
- CHIPS and Science Act
- Joining workers on the picket line
- Student loan forgiveness
- Capping insulin at $35
- Unemployment below 4%
- Withdrew troops from Afghanistan
- Sent aid to Ukraine

And a total of 136 executive orders, undoing a lot of the damage done by Trump.

The big strike against his presidency is Gaza, and if he wises up on that he has a good shot at re-election. If he doesn't, I don't know...

[Harry Lime]

In the states, the farther left the more upset at Gaza. And it's not like they are going to vote Trump in protest. I think that it will have no real effect on the election.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

He has, whether it's "hard for you to picture it" or not.

- American Rescue Plan
- Build Back Better
- Inflation Reduction Act
- CHIPS and Science Act
- Joining workers on the picket line
- Student loan forgiveness
- Capping insulin at $35
- Unemployment below 4%
- Withdrew troops from Afghanistan
- Sent aid to Ukraine

And a total of 136 executive orders, undoing a lot of the damage done by Trump.

The big strike against his presidency is Gaza, and if he wises up on that he has a good shot at re-election. If he doesn't, I don't know...

How many of these do you think he meaningfully contributed to? I think his handlers are doing a good job. Not that thats really different from Bush jr.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And I'm sure it'll come as a surprise to absolutely nobody, but Trump's history of cheating and lying at golf is fairly well documented

Rick Reilly (SI) wrote a book about it.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...l/69857594007/

The former president's dubious claims on the course have become legendary and were the subject of a 2019 book by sportswriter Rick Reilly: "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump."

"Trump doesn’t just cheat at golf," Reilly wrote. "He throws it, boots it, and moves it. He lies about his lies. He fudges and foozles and fluffs. At Winged Foot, where Trump is a member, the caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway they came up with a nickname for him: 'Pele.'”

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by troutman

Rick Reilly (SI) wrote a book about it.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...l/69857594007/

I think my favourite story was Trump missing the club championship because he was in North Korea, coming back and challenging the guy that won (and his kid) for the title. Then Trump hit his ball into the water, so just played the kids ball like it was his. Next day Trump's name is listed as Club Champion

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

How many of these do you think he meaningfully contributed to? I think his handlers are doing a good job. Not that thats really different from Bush jr.

I find this narrative really strange. He is a guy with 50 years of experiences as a legislator, and a lot of it real meaningful legislative experience. There is a big difference between him and a guy who had 5 years as an executive puppet not participating in governance then another 8 years doing the same as POTUS.

And at the end of the day, even if it wasn't him, the job of an executive is to put in a good team that can effectively manage, and seeming Biden hit that out of the park, while Trump was an unmitigated disaster and even the worst and dimmest he had last time have said they aren't going through that again.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

In the states, the farther left the more upset at Gaza. And it's not like they are going to vote Trump in protest. I think that it will have no real effect on the election.

You don't think younger people (who already have low turnout) might just say home rather than voting for Biden over it?

It wouldn't take that many to change the outcome in a few swing states.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

I find this narrative really strange. He is a guy with 50 years of experiences as a legislator, and a lot of it real meaningful legislative experience. There is a big difference between him and a guy who had 5 years as an executive puppet not participating in governance then another 8 years doing the same as POTUS.

And at the end of the day, even if it wasn't him, the job of an executive is to put in a good team that can effectively manage, and seeming Biden hit that out of the park, while Trump was an unmitigated disaster and even the worst and dimmest he had last time have said they aren't going through that again.

He’s an 81 year old legislator who had 50 years of meaningful legislative experience. He isn’t what he was. I don’t think it’s a narrative to suggest he can’t be the guy looking after everything.

I also doubt he’s the guy actually picking the people working for him anymore. Did you ever have the 75+ university prof? 100% were losing ability between 70-75.

Look at what this job did to younger Bush and Obama and how much they aged in 8 years. It is just not possible for a 76 year old to maintain that pace. Expecting an 81 year old to be able to meaningfully work 20hrs a week let alone the 80-100 put in by the typical Potus just ridiculous.

I can’t wait for the books to come out in 5 years on the Biden presidency describing the behinds the scene.

This isn’t a comparison to Trump everyone agrees that Trump is worse. It remains a failure of the Democratic Party to not have built a viable alternative and convinced Biden to pass the torch. And it remains true that an 81 year old should not be given a position of power in the largest nuclear power. It makes no sense.

I dont understand how people continue to defend Biden as a quality candidate or a candidate that’s putting in the work.

The only argument is he’s not Trump.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

How many of these do you think he meaningfully contributed to? I think his handlers are doing a good job. Not that thats really different from Bush jr.

All of them. Of course every US president has had enormous amounts of help from the WH staff and civil servants around him. Biden is the same in that regard, but I see no reason to believe he's not ultimately the one calling the shots.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

He’s an 81 year old legislator who had 50 years of meaningful legislative experience. He isn’t what he was. I don’t think it’s a narrative to suggest he can’t be the guy looking after everything.

I also doubt he’s the guy actually picking the people working for him anymore. Did you ever have the 75+ university prof? 100% were losing ability between 70-75.

Look at what this job did to younger Bush and Obama and how much they aged in 8 years. It is just not possible for a 76 year old to maintain that pace. Expecting an 81 year old to be able to meaningfully work 20hrs a week let alone the 80-100 put in by the typical Potus just ridiculous.

I can’t wait for the books to come out in 5 years on the Biden presidency describing the behinds the scene.

This isn’t a comparison to Trump everyone agrees that Trump is worse. It remains a failure of the Democratic Party to not have built a viable alternative and convinced Biden to pass the torch. And it remains true that an 81 year old should not be given a position of power in the largest nuclear power. It makes no sense.

I dont understand how people continue to defend Biden as a quality candidate or a candidate that’s putting in the work.

The only argument is he’s not Trump.

You're making a whole bunch of assumptions based on the very limited information you have.

Biden is 81, yes. But you've let your imagination run wild based on that alone. What are you going on about "he can't work 20 hours a week"...? He can decide what he wants in legislation and what he doesn't want. It's not like being a mountain climber or construction worker or something. The work of being POTUS is almost entirely mental, and despite the constant noise about him being in "dangerous cognitive decline", there continues to be no evidence of this being the case. He eats properly, rides his bike, and is very sharp for someone his age.

Not only is he better and more fit for the office than Trump, he's entire galaxies better and more fit for the office than Trump.

Another Trump presidency is the end of democracy and the modern western civilized world as we know it, giving way to an autocratic hellscape from which we will probably never come back from. Biden is the continuation of democracy, and he's also pushing for improvements in key areas such as climate action, women's rights, fairer tax policy, and other progressive policies.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder how many people voted for Biden last time thought that he was going to step aside after the first time. There seemed to be some people talking about him grooming Harris to run in 2024.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Is Biden really a bad candidate? He’s old but he’s been a good president all things considered. He’s certainly a far superior politician to either of Trudeau or PP.

He has a 40% approval rating and is less popular than Donald Trump; I don't think there's any question that he's a bad candidate. He has been an OK President, but given Trump's unpopularity this should have been an easy election for an incumbent to walk away with.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What a crazy decision.. how many lives does this guy have :/

Originally Posted by devo22

can always lower the amount further and give him even more time. The US judicial system is no match for Donald, we see it time and time again. Every other person in his shoes would have been in jail a long time ago, but cockroaches survive everything I guess.

This is honestly a pretty reasonable ruling. $175M isn’t nothing and he’s still on the hook for the total amount if the appeal fails. Trump having to sell property and looking like a martyr doesn’t help anyone.

(This also has the capacity to be even funnier if he can’t even pony up the $175m)