Value of Oliver Ekman-Larsson to Calgary

[Enoch Root]

$8.25M for 7 years, for a player that has been very inconsistent, who plays a position that is the Flames' strongest already, is all kinds of bad asset management.

Giving up assets to acquire said player is suicidal

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

Define massive contract and best before date. Last I checked, Gio was just coming in to his own at that age.

You gotta pay to get. And if Tre continues to bargain shop this team will continue to suck. Bargain goalie out of Europe, Hamonic because of a cheap contract, Austin Czarnik, Derek Ryan, Rieder .... Yeah, here come the Flames.

ROR, Mark Stone, Bishop, Lehner are just a few recent players on the move that we didn't want. Frustrating.

lol just because OEL gets paid a lot doesn't mean he's good. Gio is the exception, not the norm. To take on 60 million dollar risk becasue Gio had a unique development curve is insane.

Part of putting together a good team is having players that outperform their contracts. There is nothing wrong with the players you mentioned. Completely different scenarios all together.

We tried for Mark Stone- he didn't want to sign a long term deal here. It takes two to dance. Same for Bishop- even then how valuable is he? The Stars are excelling without him. Should have been in on ROR though, I agree. Hated the argument that he's "not a winner".

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

OEL still has long term Nik Lidstrom potential through the duration of his contract. He just needs a change.

Flames already have five Lidstroms, don’t need another one

[Enoch Root]

nm

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

OEL has $39.5 million due to him over the next 4 seasons, much of it in the form of lump sum bonuses.

Which ownership group in this league is taking that on? Who would do this to themselves?

OEL's bonus for the upcoming season has already been paid. Which means he has abonus of $5.25m remaining in 2022 and no others for the remainder of his contract and that also means that over the next 4 years there is 35.5m due over the next 4 years.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Red

Define massive contract and best before date. Last I checked, Gio was just coming in to his own at that age.

You gotta pay to get. And if Tre continues to bargain shop this team will continue to suck. Bargain goalie out of Europe, Hamonic because of a cheap contract, Austin Czarnik, Derek Ryan, Rieder .... Yeah, here come the Flames.

ROR, Mark Stone, Bishop, Hall, Lehner are just a few recent players on the move that we didn't want. Frustrating.

Of course you have to pay to get. OEL isn't worth the getting part. He will hinder your ability to win a playoffs series, not help it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

OEL's bonus for the upcoming season has already been paid. Which means he has abonus of $5.25m remaining in 2022 and no others for the remainder of his contract and that also means that over the next 4 years there is 35.5m due over the next 4 years.

So, still an absolutely massive amount for any team.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So, still an absolutely massive amount for any team.

It's a large amount, yes, but it would also make him easier to trade in 4 years time.

[Enoch Root]

For OEL's cap hit, they could sign Brodie AND Gustafsson. And probably Forbort as well.

And they wouldn't have to give up any assets to do it.

And none of those contracts would have to be pending boat anchors in 4 or 5 years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It's a large amount, yes, but it would also make him easier to trade in 4 years time.

NMC (on top of everything else)

[Red]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

lol

the Flames wanted - and pursued - every one of those players

And where are they. Exactly. Treliving didn't want to "overpay" while the team continues to get punted in the first round. Too afraid to lose a deal. Meanwhile the good teams continue to add quality players without such worries. And we laugh at them because surely this time the cap crunch will get them. Yet, it never happens.
Ironically, we r cap crunched too, with a bubble team.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For OEL's cap hit, they could sign Brodie AND Gustafsson. And probably Forbort as well.

And they wouldn't have to give up any assets to do it.

And none of those contracts would have to be pending boat anchors in 4 or 5 years.

Brodie: 5-6M
Gustafsson: 4-5M
Forbert: 1.5-2.5M

They could not sign Brodie and Gus.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It's a large amount, yes, but it would also make him easier to trade in 4 years time.

In 4 years time he will still have a cap hit of $8.25 million with a NMC.

And 4 years is a really long time in the hockey world. The problem is willingly helping out a financial distressed franchise, without a GM, when the league is absolutely going to start seeing teams fold soon.

It makes no sense on the ice or off the ice.

[PepsiFree]

Thinking about it more and more, I don't mind OEL on the Flames given one caveat: they either eat salary, or we send back shorter term salary.

I like the idea of sending Lucic and Ryan to balance it out, or at least sending Lucic and trading Ryan away elsewhere (he's a good player, I think teams would take him given the 1 year remaining).

I don't see them eating any salary on the deal given how long it is, and I really do think OEL is a good defenceman, he's just overpaid. So, like Flash said, if you can swap overpaid guys at the bottom of the lineup like Lucic for a guy at the top of the lineup like OEL (OBVIOUSLY the trade would be bigger than that) then I'm for it. A good third line winger and a 4th line centre can be had for peanuts. A top pairing defenceman that logs a ton of minutes can't, so while he's overpaid, he's also worth a ton more to the Flames on the ice.

Plus he's handsome and that's important to me.

[blankall]

Do not like.

OEL was supposed to be one of the best offensive D-men. At one point where he was putting up 50+ points. However, with the way the game has opened up and OEL's number falling slightly, his offensive numbers are just not that impressive. OEL is putting up 40ish points a season, which is almost the norm for a #2-3 d-man.

OEL has become an overpriced just okay #2-3 guy.

If the Flames are throwing that kind of cash around, I'd rather see them bring in a legit first line forward, Ex. Hall.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Brodie: 5-6M
Gustafsson: 4-5M
Forbert: 1.5-2.5M

They could not sign Brodie and Gus.

Gustafsson is not getting $4m, never mind 5

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

And where are they. Exactly. Treliving didn't want to "overpay" while the team continues to get punted in the first round. Too afraid to lose a deal. Meanwhile the good teams continue to add quality players without such worries. And we laugh at them because surely this time the cap crunch will get them. Yet, it never happens.
Ironically, we r cap crunched too, with a bubble team.

...and the solution is to bring on a 30 year old second pairing defensman with 60 million left on his contract?

Treliving didn't want to overpay for Stone as a rental- a great decision. It's not his fault Stone wanted to reunite with his junior GM in Vegas.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

NMC (on top of everything else)

Players waive them pretty regularly.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Red

And where are they. Exactly. Treliving didn't want to "overpay" while the team continues to get punted in the first round. Too afraid to lose a deal. Meanwhile the good teams continue to add quality players without such worries. And we laugh at them because surely this time the cap crunch will get them. Yet, it never happens.
Ironically, we r cap crunched too, with a bubble team.

Yes. We don't want to over pay for a defenceman hitting a wall in his career. He is not like Mark Stone or ROR.

His price his set. His value on the ice is known. He is not worth his massive contract. It's simple as that. The Flames already have too many boat anchors - try competing with an even bigger one.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Players waive them pretty regularly.

How many teams will be lining up to pick up a 33 year old OEL with a cap hit of $8.25 million?