02-23-2018, 11:46 AM
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#161
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
If it's either now or June, it really has to be now. The value is so much higher now. Like, "1st round pick plus good prospect" higher.
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I don't know if that's necessarily true, especially when you factor in Karlsson's no trade list. There could be a very select group of teams willing to move big in on Karlsson now compared to summer. Karlsson can't sign an extension now, teams don't know what their teams will look next year and beyond, and non-playoff teams might not be in the running but could at the draft.
A team may be much less reluctant to pay big for Karlsson if he comes with an 8 year extension which will only be possible this summer.
A team that, for whatever reason, was banking on a big UFA like Tavares might be more willing to make a move on Karlsson if they miss out on their UFA target.
A team might be more willing to move their first once they lose out on the draft lottery, but right now can't in case they do get the chance at Dahlin.
And non-playoff teams might go big at the draft as they make their push, for example the Oilers (if Karlsson for whatever reason does not keep them on his no trade list). Maybe even Florida considers moving Ekblad for Karlsson once they reassess their team in the off-season and realize that they can't lose out on many more prime years of Barkov hoping that Ekblad becomes that upper elite defenseman they hoped.
Last edited by Oling_Roachinen; 02-23-2018 at 11:49 AM.
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02-23-2018, 11:49 AM
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#162
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
The 30th pick in the draft is not worth taking on Ryan for 4 years.
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What about if they took Brouwer and gave us someone like Tyler Johnson to make up the gap?
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02-23-2018, 11:49 AM
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#163
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Does Ryan have to be protected if there was an expansion draft?
I really don't want him unless there was something very significant coming back for taking him on. Which I doubt there would be.
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He has a NMC, so yes he has to be protected unless he gets bought out before the expansion draft.
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02-23-2018, 11:50 AM
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#164
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
BOLD prediction: Flames end up with Bobby Ryan with some salary retained and Tampa's 1st round pick
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Here's a weird scenario: suppose the Flames managed to unload Brouwer as part of the deal and ended up with Bobby Ryan for $5M per year. Basically, you lose two years of a cap anchor for four years of a current cap anchor who might be able to be rehabilitated into a good top 6 forward. Do you take the risk? I haven't watched enough of Ryan this year to be able to really say what the issue is there.
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02-23-2018, 11:54 AM
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#165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
I don't know if that's necessarily true, especially when you factor in Karlsson's no trade list. There could be a very select group of teams willing to move big in on Karlsson now compared to summer.
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All of your variables are indeed factors that could raise the trade value at the draft. However, I honestly don't think they can make up for the rental value of the best defenseman in the league. If you were trading Karlsson just for this playoff run, that is, if he were a UFA this summer, you'd still expect a sizeable return just for that trade. By leaving it until the draft, you're throwing that value into the trash. I just don't think the larger market of potential suitors that may be available in the summer (which is still going to be mostly contenders and still probably going to be led by Tampa) or changing circumstances for other teams are very likely to tip the scales the other way, given how big a piece he is to a contender that thinks it has a shot right now.
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02-23-2018, 11:56 AM
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#166
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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wow, Dorion was disrespected so time to blow it up...
https://twitter.com/user/status/967110725037539328
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02-23-2018, 11:59 AM
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#167
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Yet he got extended? I would find this immensely disturbing as a sens fan. This isn't a traditional office environment where the GM is the be all end all boss who can't be questioned or challenged at all (that's not even how most offices work anymore.) Unless it was some truly toxic behavior this smells pretty fishy.
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02-23-2018, 12:02 PM
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#168
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebot
The Senators would get a heck a lot more at the deadline for Karlsson when teams are looking for that extra playoff push, versus the deadline where everyone knows the Sens are backed in a corner with a looming UFA.
Yes for the Oilers it would certainly make more sense to do something at the draft, but Chia will likely do some odd Chia thing and end up giving up what becomes first overall and Dahlin, next year's first rounder and Draisatl for Karlsson and get Bobby Ryan's contract with it.
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Actually Karlsson isn't a pure rental. He still has one more year after this one. So Maybe it makes sense to wait until the draft where 30 teams are looking to better there club rather then the 20 or so trying right now. I dont think they get more now VS waiting
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02-23-2018, 12:05 PM
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#169
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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"Nobody disrespects Pierre Dorion"
-pierre dorion
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02-23-2018, 12:12 PM
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#170
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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The rumour allegedly involved the players playing music over Dorion and refusing to turn it down. Travis Yost on Twitter
— The 6th Sens (@6thSens) February 23, 2018
Way to go Dion.
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02-23-2018, 12:43 PM
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#171
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
BOLD prediction: Flames end up with Bobby Ryan with some salary retained and Tampa's 1st round pick
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BOLDER prediction: Flames end up with Karlsson and Ottawa's 1st round pick.
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02-23-2018, 12:43 PM
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#172
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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I can see LV being involved with a Karlsson deal somehow with all the picks they have. Maybe not winding up there being part of the trade somehow. Perhaps the Rangers too.
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02-23-2018, 12:43 PM
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#173
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clubflames
bolder prediction: Flames end up with karlsson and ottawa's 1st round pick.
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too bold
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02-23-2018, 12:49 PM
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#174
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stang
Actually Karlsson isn't a pure rental. He still has one more year after this one. So Maybe it makes sense to wait until the draft where 30 teams are looking to better there club rather then the 20 or so trying right now. I dont think they get more now VS waiting
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I think they would get more now. If you get him now, you have two runs at the Stanley cup, if you get him next year you are only guaranteed one. I think teams that are at or near contender level now, that can afford to add him, will pay a lot to do so. I think that price goes down after these playoffs.
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02-23-2018, 01:38 PM
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#175
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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02-23-2018, 02:19 PM
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#176
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CP's Fraser Crane
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To Ottawa: Draisaitl, Brouwer,
To Calgary, Bobby Ryan, Oilers 1st 2018
To Edmonton: Karlsson
Haha yeah right.
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02-23-2018, 02:31 PM
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#178
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stang
To Ottawa: Draisaitl, Brouwer,
To Calgary, Bobby Ryan, Oilers 1st 2018
To Edmonton: Karlsson
Haha yeah right.
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Flames would take on an additional $2.75M per for 2 years then the full $7.25M for another 2 years. Extremely risky considering Karlsson could help push that Oilers pick out of the top 5
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02-23-2018, 02:36 PM
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#179
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Flames would take on an additional $2.75M per for 2 years then the full $7.25M for another 2 years. Extremely risky considering Karlsson could help push that Oilers pick out of the top 5
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It would probably have to happen after the season...
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02-23-2018, 02:38 PM
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#180
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Flames would take on an additional $2.75M per for 2 years then the full $7.25M for another 2 years. Extremely risky considering Karlsson could help push that Oilers pick out of the top 5
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I don't think Karlsson in Drai out would improve them that much
I would do it
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