[OOT] Final day of regular season games

[PaperBagger'14]

In a stark turn of events, only 1 game was played today where the flames took down the Oilers 4-1 to absolutely no ones surprise.

This is truly the season of "what could have been". Would the Blues continue their western conference dominance? Would the Avs finally break out in the playoffs? Would Edmonton continue to suck?

We may never know

(Except Edmonton, they will always suck)

[CalgaryFan1988]

I guess this is what happens when we wish for the Flames to never lose again this season.

[FlamesAddiction]

Damn monkey paw.

[Blaster86]

Every sim has the Canucks going on a big run to end the season and lock up a play-off spot. Just makes this break hurt even more!

[Textcritic]

Wow. The Canucks haven't played a playoff game since 2015. That makes my heart smile.

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wow. The Canucks haven't played a playoff game since 2015. That makes my heart smile.

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What have we played? Like 9? One win? Yeah, I think I'd take their future over our present to be honest. At least they added some mega talent durning their downtime and seem poised to break out soon. Calgary is already tapped out in the middle tier.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What have we played? Like 9? One win? Yeah, I think I'd take their future over our present to be honest. At least they added some mega talent durning their downtime and seem poised to break out soon. Calgary is already tapped out in the middle tier.

I am no mathematician but Nine is infinity more then Zero.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am no mathematician but Nine is infinity more then Zero.

So? 1-8 is flat out embarrassing. I would rather them be bad, get a good pick and get better than finish in the middle and get destroyed every other year in the playoffs. The canucks have been rebuilding for a few years now, of course they arent making the playoffs. We are supposed to be contenders right now judging by the moves management makes but instead we have one more playoff win than a rebuilder over a 4 year stretch. Pointing out a rebuilding team not making the playoffs for 4 years when our finished product has ONE playoff win in the same span is just funny to me.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

So? 1-8 is flat out embarrassing. I would rather them be bad, get a good pick and get better than finish in the middle and get destroyed every other year in the playoffs. The canucks have been rebuilding for a few years now, of course they arent making the playoffs. We are supposed to be contenders right now judging by the moves management makes but instead we have one more playoff win than a rebuilder over a 4 year stretch. Pointing out a rebuilding team not making the playoffs for 4 years when our finished product has ONE playoff win in the same span is just funny to me.

If I can't enjoy my team being better then a rival team for four years, the terrorists have won.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If I can't enjoy my team being better then a rival team for four years, the terrorists have won.

By all means enjoy it, but the Canucks future looks a lot better now for their 4 years of pain. Maybe had BT organically grown the team during the rebuild instead of fast tracking everything, we could say the same. We started the rebuild in 2013 and management likely considered it complete roughly two years later when they decided that bleeding draft picks was a sound strategy. There's a reason other teams play the long game and show they can be more patient than their fans. Because if you don't, you end up in the middle tier with no hope of escape except through a proper rebuild actually completed by someone with some damn vision.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

By all means enjoy it, but the Canucks future looks a lot better now for their 4 years of pain. Maybe had BT organically grown the team during the rebuild instead of fast tracking everything, we could say the same. We started the rebuild in 2013 and management likely considered it complete roughly two years later when they decided they hemmoraging draft picks was a sound strategy. There's a reason other teams play the long game and show they can be more patient than their fans. Because if you don't, you end up in the middle tier with no hope of escape except through a proper rebuild actually completed by someone with some damn vision.

In reality, the Canucks may have made the same mistake in recent moves designed to accelerate their re-build. The JT Miller trade, is similar to the Flames acquiring Hamilton.

I do like a couple of their main pieces though: Hughes, Pettersson and Boeser were all really strong picks. Though I think Boeser has, for me, not continued to progress as I thought he would. But the other two are amazing pieces to have.

Imagine if they had picked Tkachuk instead of Joe Levi.
Yikes!

[TheIronMaiden]

All joking ignorance aside, there is no guarantee that the Canucks will amount to anything but a middle of the road team.

Their top scorer J.T. Miller was in the middle of a career year, nearly doubling his best ever production. It is unlikely that he returns to that form. In fact a handful of players on their team were having a career year this year Including: Pearson, Virtanan, and Gaudette.

Also, this is by and large their team moving forward, as in they don't really have any exciting prospects waiting to make the team. Höglander is the only likely NHL player of the bunch.

A lot of teams make it to this point, but that in no was means that they will ever be more then a middle of the road team.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

In reality, the Canucks may have made the same mistake in recent moves designed to accelerate their re-build. The JT Miller trade, is similar to the Flames acquiring Hamilton.



I do like a couple of their main pieces though: Hughes, Pettersson and Boeser were all really strong picks. Though I think Boeser has, for me, not continued to progress as I thought he would. But the other two are amazing pieces to have.



Imagine if they had picked Tkachuk instead of Joe Levi.

Yikes!

They waited longer though and dipped lower. Those additional top 5/10 picks were huge. Adding Miller looks like a stroke of genius. Sure they added guys like Eriksson and beagle which is not unlike neal, brouwer or raymond but I feel they were prepared to be bad longer than the flames and were prepared to dip lower.

You are right about tkachuk. Had they drafted him though, everything would be different. It might mean no pettersen, bowser or miller in an alternate universe. I think fudging that pick actually worked put better for them as everything hinges on hughes and pettersen for them, 2 players that might not be there had they drafted tkachuk.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

By all means enjoy it, but the Canucks future looks a lot better now for their 4 years of pain.

They got nothing. They were in a death spiral before the cancellation of games.

Vancouver is no good.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

All joking ignorance aside, there is no guarantee that the Canucks will amount to anything but a middle of the road team.

Their top scorer J.T. Miller was in the middle of a career year, nearly doubling his best ever production. It is unlikely that he returns to that form. In fact a handful of players on their team were having a career year this year Including: Pearson, Virtanan, and Gaudette.

Also, this is by and large their team moving forward, as in they don't really have any exciting prospects waiting to make the team. Höglander is the only likely NHL player of the bunch.

A lot of teams make it to this point, but that in no was means that they will ever be more then a middle of the road team.

Pettersen is better than anyone we have, and is good enough to build an entire team around. A 1 OA talent they got at 5. Franchise changing. I would be shocked if they don't win some playoff series with that guy.

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by troutman

They got nothing. They were in a death spiral before the cancellation of games.



Vancouver is no good.

Other teams are good/ have potential to be good. Even rivals. It's okay to admit it.

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[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Pettersen is better than anyone we have, and is good enough to build an entire team around. A 1 OA talent they got at 5. Franchise changing. I would be shocked if they don't win some playoff series with that guy.

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Maybe in the future. But right now Pettersson is a one dimensional forward with who has never scored 70 points in a season.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Maybe in the future. But right now Pettersson is a one dimensional forward with who has never scored 70 points in a season.

70 points is arbitrary cut off for a player who has two seasons under his belt. Injuries in his rookie year and cancellation of his sophomore year.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Other teams are good/ have potential to be good. Even rivals. It's okay to admit it.

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I know the cool kids around here are all extremely dire and pessimistic about the Flames's outlook, but it is equally okay to acknowledge that the team is not the melodramatically fashionable dumpster-fire that you prattle on about.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

70 points is arbitrary cut off for a player who has two seasons under his belt. Injuries in his rookie year and cancellation of his sophomore year.

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It's still a hurdle he has to clear. Without knowing how the League and the PA will approach contract terms amid the pandemic there is a very real possibility that Petterson will no longer be playing on his ELC when he does hit this arbitrary number, and for the Canucks that is likely to be a significant issue.

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