The New Flames RFA Contracts (Lindholm and Hanifin) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Niemo · 06-25-2018, 10:17 PM

These numbers being thrown around seem very high. Hanifin and Lindholm have potential to improve a lot on what they've shown, but I'd argue that they havent shown enough for contracts north of 5MM.

Hanifin has a very high ceiling, but so far he's been slightly below average defensively with 32 pts.

Lindholm has been good all around, but again, he hasn't topped 45 points or 20 goals yet.

I would do 4.75MM for 6 years on Lindholm and 4MM on 3 years for Hanifin.

Moneyhands23 · 06-25-2018, 10:19 PM

Off Topic but related. Can Tkachuk be signed this summer to an extension?

transplant99 · 06-25-2018, 10:20 PM

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Off Topic but related. Can Tkachuk be signed this summer to an extension?

yup....after July 1.

Roof-Daddy · 06-25-2018, 10:27 PM

Can't see them extending Chucky yet. It'd be nice for peace of mind, but it doesn't seem to be how Treliving operates with young RFA's.

Moneyhands23 · 06-25-2018, 10:38 PM

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Can't see them extending Chucky yet. It'd be nice for peace of mind, but it doesn't seem to be how Treliving operates with young RFA's.

Could save them a bunch to try and sign all 3 and have a presser. Maybe a good way to get Tkachuk in at a reasonable price.

Moneyhands23 · 06-25-2018, 10:39 PM

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yup....after July 1.

Really hope it gets done before the season starts.

Chingas · 06-25-2018, 10:47 PM

This thread is an interesting summary of people's thoughts about the two new players. In my mind Hanifin is the most important player coming back and will probably make more, while others have Lindholm at a higher hit.

Is there a consensus on who is the more valuable addition? To me it seems that opinions vary almost 50-50, so does that mean that the return on the trade is likely higher than first thought by many because half of us are under valuing one of the new guys? Or does it mean the opposite?

Textcritic · 06-25-2018, 10:54 PM

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Could save them a bunch to try and sign all 3 and have a presser. Maybe a good way to get Tkachuk in at a reasonable price.

I seriously doubt that Tkachuk would have any interest in opening negotiations before the end of the season.

dammage79 · 06-25-2018, 10:55 PM

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This thread is an interesting summary of people's thoughts about the two new players. In my mind Hanifin is the most important player coming back and will probably make more, while others have Lindholm at a higher hit.

Is there a consensus on who is the more valuable addition? To me it seems that opinions vary almost 50-50, so does that mean that the return on the trade is likely higher than first thought by many because half of us are under valuing one of the new guys? Or does it mean the opposite?

Personally, Lindholm is the key piece. People are deep diving into the numbers and coming up underwhelmed and not forming a positive out look.

What I've seen and what everyone knows about Lindholm is the term "Cerebral".

My sell to the uncertain fans about him is this. His vision, positioning and ability to see a play develop and get to the spot where the puck will eventually end up is top tier. Many times I've noticed that Johnny has to slow his playmaking down for other players to catch up.

I feel that....I feel Lindholm is going to be the mind that sees the crazy creativity johnny is creating with the puck and something special is going to happen. Many times Johnny would make any sort of pass to Ferland and Ferlands just completely missed it. We won't see that with Lindholm.

Hanafin is a rising D man like Dougie was when we traded for him. Just LHD. He should fare very well this year.

Moneyhands23 · 06-25-2018, 10:56 PM

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I seriously doubt that Tkachuk would have any interest in opening negotiations before the end of the season. He expects to earn a big raise this year.

I think your probably right

Textcritic · 06-25-2018, 10:59 PM

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This thread is an interesting summary of people's thoughts about the two new players. In my mind Hanifin is the most important player coming back and will probably make more, while others have Lindholm at a higher hit...

Hanifin will be signing his second contract while Lindholm is entering his third, and he has arbitration rights. Those factors mean that Lindholm’s deal will likely be more expensive.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 06-25-2018, 11:00 PM

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Could save them a bunch to try and sign all 3 and have a presser. Maybe a good way to get Tkachuk in at a reasonable price.

I'm confused, are you suggesting that signing all three now will save them a bunch of money on the contracts, that getting a 3 for 1 on only having to do a single presser will save them on press conference costs, or both?

Wolfman · 06-25-2018, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

This thread is an interesting summary of people's thoughts about the two new players. In my mind Hanifin is the most important player coming back and will probably make more, while others have Lindholm at a higher hit.

Is there a consensus on who is the more valuable addition? To me it seems that opinions vary almost 50-50, so does that mean that the return on the trade is likely higher than first thought by many because half of us are under valuing one of the new guys? Or does it mean the opposite?

I think it's too early to say the return is higher than first thought. Both teams need to play games and the players in the deal need to show what they are capable of.. Hanifin and Lindholm have a slight edge as they have played for Peters before so you might see the payoff on those two quicker.

I'm curious to see what role Ferland has, I guarantee it won't be on the first line. Therefore I expect his goals to drop off next year. I am curious to see who plays with Hamilton, and bails him out when he makes bad decisions like Gio did many times the past two seasons.

Moneyhands23 · 06-25-2018, 11:03 PM

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I'm confused, are you suggesting that signing all three now will save them a bunch of money on the contracts, that getting a 3 for 1 on only having to do a single presser will save them on press conference costs, or both?

I'm kind of thinking that if they sign the 2 new guys in the 4.75-5 over term that Tkachuk may sign for term at 6ish. Really it's not likely, but they are in an age group together

Textcritic · 06-25-2018, 11:15 PM

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I'm kind of thinking that if they sign the 2 new guys in the 4.75-5 over term that Tkachuk may sign for term at 6ish. Really it's not likely, but they are in an age group together

Tkachuk is not signing a contract in July. Not coming off of an injury shortened season. He will be in a much stronger negotiating position with the Flames next Spring the he is today, and he knows that.

The Cobra · 06-25-2018, 11:26 PM

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For Hanifin I give him 7 years, 4.285 million per for an even 30 million

For Lindholm I go 6 x 4.75

Hanifin will get quite a bit more than that, unless it’s a bridge deal.

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Strange Brew · 06-25-2018, 11:57 PM

The numbers are going to be higher than we’d like I imagine.

Calgary4LIfe · 06-26-2018, 12:21 AM

Hanifin and Lindholm might both get bridge deals, but if not, the max Treliving is going to sign them for is 6 years. Probably 5 if I was to guess.

5x4.75 for Lindholm
5x5.25 for Hanifin

I do think that Hanifin will command more - just looking at the Hamilton contract. He may slide-in a bit cheaper (as I have guessed), or he may come very close either under or above. I think the Flames lock them both up for 5 years though.

mikephoen · 06-26-2018, 03:38 AM

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Tkachuk is not signing a contract in July. Not coming off of an injury shortened season. He will be in a much stronger negotiating position with the Flames next Spring the he is today, and he knows that.

The injury he is coming off of is a concussion. That’s the one injury that might make a guy think long and hard about locking in for long term security. You are most likely correct though, and he will wait.

The Cobra · 06-26-2018, 05:01 AM

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Hanifin and Lindholm might both get bridge deals, but if not, the max Treliving is going to sign them for is 6 years. Probably 5 if I was to guess.

5x4.75 for Lindholm
5x5.25 for Hanifin

I do think that Hanifin will command more - just looking at the Hamilton contract. He may slide-in a bit cheaper (as I have guessed), or he may come very close either under or above. I think the Flames lock them both up for 5 years though.

Players like Johnny signed only a 6-year contract because that was his choice. The Flames would have loved to lock him up for 2 more additional years, even with a higher cap hit. But players want to become UFA's sooner,and at a younger age, so they maximize that last 8 year contract at a time when they are not seen as regressing.

The length of the term for Hannifin will depend largely on how many years he'll commit to. What I mean by that, it's not just Tre telling him how many years the Flames are willing commit to. It cuts both ways. Going year to year will eventually bite the Flames. If Hanifin wants a 7 year contract, the Flames should jump at the chance to get him signed during his premium years. But it will cost them.