The Deal With Geoff Ward

[Red]

It's possible that good coaches won't come here so we get the leftovers.

[camm13]

yeah at this point when ward gets the can, they'll probably promote Huska to head coach.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Red

It's possible that good coaches won't come here so we get the leftovers.

Can’t say I blame them to be honest. Why would anyone want to come here? The second the team loses a few games you’re the biggest idiot in town and everyone wants to can you.

I’ve seen some pretty gross things posted about the coach on social media. It’s totally immature and unwarranted. It’s beyond criticism. There’s some pretty nasty things being said about another human being over the way he coaches a game. Some people need to grow the #### up.

I love this city and this team but I don’t think I’d ever want to coach here.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Can’t say I blame them to be honest. Why would anyone want to come here? The second the team loses a few games you’re the biggest idiot in town and everyone wants to can you.

I’ve seen some pretty gross things posted about the coach on social media. It’s totally immature and unwarranted. It’s beyond criticism. There’s some pretty nasty things being said about another human being over the way he coaches a game. Some people need to grow the #### up.

I love this city and this team but I don’t think I’d ever want to coach here.

It's been crazy to watch

There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make, so I'll never understand peoples needs to completely make stuff up to #### on him over

[Red]

Coaches hear that everywhere though. It's a tough gig, no doubt.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Been my experience as well



We can speculate on the reasons all we want but frankly, the proof is in the pudding and all of our coaches in recent memory have essentially been bargain bin level. Peters got 2 million, that's still below average for coaches. I'd be curious to see what Hartley got but considering he wasn't even in the NHL at the time, I'm guessing it wasn't much

Is it actually? I'm not convinced of this. It seems like this would have been pretty close to average for the time Peters's contract was signed.

I don't doubt that the Flames cut corners to save money, but I am also sceptical that they are cutting these corners with their high-end personnel. The Flames brought Brian Burke in, and that was not cheap.

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[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Is it actually? I'm not convinced of this. It seems like this would have been pretty close to average for the time Peters's contract was signed.

I don't doubt that the Flames.es cut corners to save money, but I am also sceptical that they are cutting this corners with their high-end personnel. The Flames brought Brian Burke in, and that was not cheap.

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It's hard to say really, since a lot of coach contracts aren't known.

Contracts signed the same year as Peters are Jim Montgomery (1.6m) David Quinn (2.4m) Tortorella (2.5m) Deboer (3m) Trotz (4m)

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Exactly, hire a good coach and if the team still plays like junk I'll admit the core needs to be changed. Enough of these bargain bin signings. The Dallas series should have been enough tell Treliving to not give him the full-time job.

This right here! Get blown out tomororw night and make a move. If it doesn't move a needle well clean house everyone is available.

[NewFan]

This is my opinion. This coach is not task master. His players doesn't have any clear role. His lines doesn't have any roles. Yesterday Ryan told on radio that his line plays against all opposition lines, played against the first line and against fourth line.
But Jets players told they will play better when he and other winger win board battles and quick transition.
Hartley was task coach that's why he bullied some of his players to do certain task like fighters, 4th liners.
For me if coaches make every player and every line has a role it makes them easier to play. And promote who is playing and performing.
And find and use individual player's best skills to compete that job. Not force them what he thinks should work. These players doesn't need teaching like rebuilding team. These players need role, performance and play their games.

[Red]

Originally Posted by NewFan

This is my opinion. This coach is not task master. His players doesn't have any clear role. His lines doesn't have any roles. Yesterday Ryan told on radio that his line plays against all opposition lines, played against the first line and against fourth line.
But Jets players told they will play better when he and other winger win board battles and quick transition.
Hartley was task coach that's why he bullied some of his players to do certain task like fighters, 4th liners.
For me if coaches make every player and every line has a role it makes them easier to play. And promote who is playing and performing.
And find and use individual player's best skills to compete that job. Not force them what he thinks should work. These players doesn't need teaching like rebuilding team. These players need role, performance and play their games.

A player whose name escapes me now once said that playing for Sutter was easy. Sutter would tell him one thing before each game during the playoffs , outhustle or outplay this guy. And this is all he focused on. Sutters job was to match lines, player knew exactly what to do. If he couldn't out skill him, he would out work him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's been crazy to watch

There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make, so I'll never understand peoples needs to completely make stuff up to #### on him over

This is true. You’d think half of CP attends the practices because they all know what each coach is telling the players to do or what “system” they coach.

Sometimes players don’t do what they are told. Especially if they’ve done it one way a long time and are being asked to change.

[1qqaaz]

So most of us agree that inconsistency is part of the core of the team's identity.

Do you think that's primarily a product of the coaching? Or do you think it's from the actual roster/leadership?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

So most of us agree that inconsistency is part of the core of the team's identity.

Do you think that's primarily a product of the coaching? Or do you think it's from the actual roster/leadership?

Unless we get a genuine NHL-calibre coach, we’ll never know.

[timbit]

I know it’s a different sport....BUT,

Leadership and winning starts at the top, as in ownership.The players are accountable to the coach.
Pittsburgh Steelers have had three coaches since 1970. All 3 had little to NO head coaching experience when hired.

“Pittsburgh Steelers – The Steelers have been a consistent threat ever since Coach Chuck Noll took over the Steelers reigns. A huge reason as to why the Steelers are ranked one is they have had the best ownership in the league this entire time. The Rooney family is consistent, they care about their players and the players play hard for them. Since 1970 they have had just three Head Coaches and all three have won Super Bowls.”

Also , Steelers have the best winning percentage and tied with Patriots for most Superbowls, since 1970.

In 50 years....Mike Tomlin continues to be their 3rd HC.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Can’t say I blame them to be honest. Why would anyone want to come here? The second the team loses a few games you’re the biggest idiot in town and everyone wants to can you.

I’ve seen some pretty gross things posted about the coach on social media. It’s totally immature and unwarranted. It’s beyond criticism. There’s some pretty nasty things being said about another human being over the way he coaches a game. Some people need to grow the #### up.

I love this city and this team but I don’t think I’d ever want to coach here.

The same could be said for about half the teams in the NHL. And the other half play in cities where no-one cares about hockey at all. So those are your options if you want to be a head coach of an NHL team. Hear how dumb you are after every loss, or don't hear a thing because no-one cares.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's hard to say really, since a lot of coach contracts aren't known.

Contracts signed the same year as Peters are Jim Montgomery (1.6m) David Quinn (2.4m) Tortorella (2.5m) Deboer (3m) Trotz (4m)

That’s our next coach.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by btimbit

It's hard to say really, since a lot of coach contracts aren't known.

Contracts signed the same year as Peters are Jim Montgomery (1.6m) David Quinn (2.4m) Tortorella (2.5m) Deboer (3m) Trotz (4m)

So we overpay mediocre coaches is what you’re saying.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Red

It's possible that good coaches won't come here so we get the leftovers.

In My Opinion, the Flames organization is NOT a premiere destination for both coaches and players at this point.
The organization is starting to take on an Oilers stank. (roast me, I would too)
The inability to do what is right for the TEAM, be it a quality player, or a quality coach, is looking like what the Oilers have done for years.
I don't think that this team will entice elite players or coaches to come here for quite a while.
My take on this team, which I am finding it getting harder to sit down for 3 plus hours to watch a game.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So we overpay mediocre coaches is what you’re saying.

haha, yeah certainly looks like it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Can’t say I blame them to be honest. Why would anyone want to come here? The second the team loses a few games you’re the biggest idiot in town and everyone wants to can you.

I’ve seen some pretty gross things posted about the coach on social media. It’s totally immature and unwarranted. It’s beyond criticism. There’s some pretty nasty things being said about another human being over the way he coaches a game. Some people need to grow the #### up.

I love this city and this team but I don’t think I’d ever want to coach here.

Do you believe that it is worse in Calgary than any other Canadian city, or any of the cities in the US where hockey is on the front page?

Because it isn't.