09-01-2018, 05:48 PM
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#2641
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
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Am I the only one still hoping that the Flames sign Ferland as a UFA next summer?
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Oh man, I sure hope not. My favorite part of this trade was knowing we sold high on a player that a team is going to regret going long term on.
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09-01-2018, 05:52 PM
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#2642
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Oh man, I sure hope not. My favorite part of this trade was knowing we sold high on a player that a team is going to regret going long term on.
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I actually think the Flames sold high on all the hype around Hamilton, Ferland's inflated value and Fox considering he was bound not to sign here.
Made 50 cents look like a dollar.
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09-01-2018, 06:08 PM
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#2643
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Just wondering where the rumours came from that Fox wasn't going to sign with the Flames. I think I missed that.
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09-01-2018, 06:23 PM
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#2644
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Just wondering where the rumours came from that Fox wasn't going to sign with the Flames. I think I missed that.
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Direct Treliving quote around the draft.
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09-01-2018, 06:40 PM
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#2645
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
Oh man, I sure hope not. My favorite part of this trade was knowing we sold high on a player that a team is going to regret going long term on.
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Don't get me wrong, here. While I am a big fan of Ferland I am most certainly NOT resigned to adding him to the team at any cost. I would like to see him come back in the unlikely event that the term and dollar figures are sensible. I think he will have a decent season, but am highly sceptical he will reproduce his numbers from last year, and I think this will ultimately also bring his value down a little from where it seems to be trending.
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09-01-2018, 06:42 PM
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#2646
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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They’d have to make a trade as I don’t see much room
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Neal
Bennett
Frolik
Are all top nine wingers.
If Bennett or Frolik move along I guess.
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09-01-2018, 08:14 PM
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#2647
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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I love Ferly but honestly, I feel like Treliving traded him at the exact right time because I don’t think he will ever eclipse last year’s numbers. I don’t see him playing with players of Gaudreau or Monaghan’s caliber again and he’s not a guy that can drive a line on his own. Solid 3rd liner that can fill-in in the top 6 as needed.
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09-01-2018, 09:00 PM
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#2648
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Don't get me wrong, here. While I am a big fan of Ferland I am most certainly NOT resigned to adding him to the team at any cost. I would like to see him come back in the unlikely event that the term and dollar figures are sensible. I think he will have a decent season, but am highly sceptical he will reproduce his numbers from last year, and I think this will ultimately also bring his value down a little from where it seems to be trending.
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For sure, but my counter would be that anecdotally it seemed Ferland seemed to pack it in when he was demoted below the top six.
He tried hard on the first line until a certain number of games, then had a noticeable drop in effort. But actually dropped significantly in the line-up he just didn't put in a satisfactory effort, imo. And if brought back I don't see him getting top six minutes anymore.
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09-01-2018, 09:10 PM
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#2649
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
They’d have to make a trade as I don’t see much room
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Neal
Bennett
Frolik
Are all top nine wingers.
If Bennett or Frolik move along I guess.
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Ferland >> Bennett/Frolik
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09-01-2018, 09:10 PM
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#2650
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Just wondering where the rumours came from that Fox wasn't going to sign with the Flames. I think I missed that.
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Treliving made the comment after the trade. Waddell claims he foresees no problems.
If Fox doesn’t want to sign with a team before being able to go UFA, that legitimately reduces his trade value. If his aversion is particular to the Flames, well there are plenty of examples of GM’s who have extracted exceptional value from players who force a trade.
At this point, the trade is what it is. There have certainly been a few things coming out that have had the effect of reducing the perceived value of the pieces the Flames moved out. Which is a bad look for all involved IMO.
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09-01-2018, 09:15 PM
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#2651
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
Ferland >> Bennett/Frolik
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Wow. No. Jesus, 1...just one single 20 goal season in his 26 year old season and Ferland is some sort of angel being dropped from the sky from the hockey gods.
Frolik? Better player for far longer. Just better in every aspect of hockey save maybe some body checks and some fights.
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09-01-2018, 09:19 PM
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#2652
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Treliving made the comment after the trade. Waddell claims he foresees no problems.
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GM's that proclaim they see no problems with a future player signing before hand: 100%
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09-01-2018, 09:20 PM
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#2653
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattman
I actually think the Flames sold high on all the hype around Hamilton, Ferland's inflated value and Fox considering he was bound not to sign here.
Made 50 cents look like a dollar.
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The best deals will always involve selling high, and I do believe we traded both Hamilton and Ferland when they were at their maximal value.
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09-01-2018, 09:27 PM
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#2654
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Just wondering where the rumours came from that Fox wasn't going to sign with the Flames. I think I missed that.
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“Adam Fox is a terrific prospect,” Treliving said. “The reality was there’s a question of whether we could sign him.”
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4293218/c...rade-hamilton/
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09-01-2018, 09:31 PM
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#2655
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Frolik? Better player for far longer. Just better in every aspect of hockey save maybe some body checks and some fights.
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I would think a lot of GM's would prefer the 26 year old Ferland over the 30 year old Frolik going forward, and still others may rather have the 22 year old Sam Bennett, to each his own.
Last edited by David Struch; 09-01-2018 at 09:40 PM.
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09-01-2018, 09:35 PM
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#2656
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
GM's that proclaim they see no problems with a future player signing before hand: 100%
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True. Which is why instead of believing what you want to believe, I tend to think it’s best to discount most all public GM comments as spin and posturing.
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09-01-2018, 09:41 PM
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#2657
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
I would think a lot of GM's would prefer the 26 year old Ferland over the 30 year old Frolik going forward, and still others may rather have the 22 year old Sam Bennett, to each his own.
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If I’m a GM, I’m picking Frolik.
Holy hell, he’s underrated.
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09-01-2018, 09:47 PM
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#2658
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
If I’m a GM, I’m picking Frolik.
Holy hell, he’s underrated.
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So you wouldn't have made the Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin trade if it was Michael Frolík instead of Micheal Ferland?
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09-01-2018, 09:52 PM
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#2659
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
So you wouldn't have made the Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin trade if it was Michael Frolík instead of Micheal Ferland?
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That’s not the question, the question is Frolik or Ferland? I pick Frolik without even thinking twice.
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09-01-2018, 09:57 PM
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#2660
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
So you wouldn't have made the Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin trade if it was Michael Frolík instead of Micheal Ferland?
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That's grasping at straws. Of course you make the trade with both Ferland or Frolik on the table. 
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