[Signing] Sharks sign Evander Kane to extension (7 years, $7 million AAV)

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Red

The guy's been a disrespectful ahole all his career, he is not going it to change now. He is what he is and I guess the Sharks feel they have enough leaders on the team to curb that.

I think the same things were said when he got run out of Winnipeg. He got a DUI in Buffalo before the season even started.



I know people mature, but how many players with deep flaws actually changed? This isn't about lack of effort or poor defensive play, this is about changing someone's character. You don't learn to be a quality person.

Countless NHLers have posted questionable social media posts or have been arrested for DUIs, assault or even worse charges like manslaughter/murder. It is an incredibly long list and completely unfair to hold Kane to this as a flawed character for a few questionable posts and a mistake as a youngster that hasn't been repeated.

MacTavish, Heatley, Ramage, to name a few, all killed people due to liquor abuse and pure idiocy. Pat Kane is known to be a complete sleaze bag with ties to a rape case but somehow he no longer seems to be ripped on as much as the terrible Evander Kane.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Countless NHLers have posted questionable social media posts or have been arrested for DUIs, assault or even worse charges like manslaughter/murder. It is an incredibly long list and completely unfair to hold Kane to this as a flawed character for a few questionable posts and a mistake as a youngster that hasn't been repeated.

In 2012 when he was accused of not paying his tabs at restaurants and bars, there was also the very prominent story of how he got his concussion in an alleged bar incident.

In 2013, he had to apology for a homophobic tweet.

In 2014, he was sued for financial damages for assaulting a bar patron.

In 2016, he was investigated (though not charged) for sexual assault, the woman would eventually sue him for bodily harm.

Later in 2016, he was arrested and charged for assaulting three woman and a bouncer at another bar.

Nothing may have been proven in court, but he's pretty much the definition of "where there's smoke." And has long been reported to be a dick everywhere he goes.

And that's overlooking hockey issues, like his teammates throwing his jumpsuit into the shower, multiple healthy scratches and benches and multiple fights with teammates.

Four women have accused him of assault, including rape. Even if he was never found guilty, it doesn't seem like one mistake here...

[Red]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Countless NHLers have posted questionable social media posts or have been arrested for DUIs, assault or even worse charges like manslaughter/murder. It is an incredibly long list and completely unfair to hold Kane to this as a flawed character for a few questionable posts and a mistake as a youngster that hasn't been repeated.

MacTavish, Heatley, Ramage, to name a few, all killed people due to liquor abuse and pure idiocy. Pat Kane is known to be a complete sleaze bag with ties to a rape case but somehow he no longer seems to be ripped on as much as the terrible Evander Kane.

These are completely different issues. Accidents happen, yes MacT was drunk and Heatley was irresponsible etc. But these were still accidents.

Kane is an ass to his teammates and coaches. He isn't just a bad citizen, he is a bad teammate. Can THAT change?

[united]

Given the UFA class this year I fully expected he would get between 8.5 and 9.0%, so at 80 this falls in that range.

Personally, I wouldn't have gone above 8.0%. Terrific player when he's fully committed to the game, but has long stretches where he isn't. With a bit of maturity and guidance he could have a couple years where his performance exceeds his price, and that could happen with a fresh start on the west coast - which is where he wants to be.

[GranteedEV]

Kane obviously found a fit in San Jose.


But I am very happy we didn't go after him. There was no fit for him here at that acquisition cost and now cap hit and term. It would have been a tri-fecta of bad moves for Calgary to do what San Jose did, due to our current roster construction.

[Hockeyguy15]

Kane is getting more than Gaudreau? Wow.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Red

These are completely different issues. Accidents happen, yes MacT was drunk and Heatley was irresponsible etc. But these were still accidents.

Kane is an ass to his teammates and coaches. He isn't just a bad citizen, he is a bad teammate. Can THAT change?

Fair enough, they are separate issues but there is little proof for many of these bad teammate comments I am hearing beyond hearsay. If he's scoring goals and playing his butt off I don't think anyone cares in the locker room. Would you rather have good teammates who are crappy players or a marginal teammate who can change the game in a single shift?

A highly respectable team like the Sharks certainly wouldn't be giving him a deal like this if they had any concerns.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Honestly, Kane is such a sleazeball that I hope this backfires immensely for the Sharks and their first round draft picks ends up winning the lottery.

Would also be hilarious if Buffalo got Dahlin and Hughes back-to-back.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Kane is getting more than Gaudreau? Wow.

UFA vs RFA

How much do you think Gaudreau would get if he was a UFA? Probably around $10 million a season.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Fair enough, they are separate issues but there is little proof for many of these bad teammate comments I am hearing beyond hearsay.

Lol? He was traded a week after this:

[Red]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Fair enough, they are separate issues but there is little proof for many of these bad teammate comments I am hearing beyond hearsay. If he's scoring goals and playing his butt off I don't think anyone cares in the locker room. Would you rather have good teammates who are crappy players or a marginal teammate who can change the game in a single shift?

A highly respectable team like the Sharks certainly wouldn't be giving him a deal like this if they had any concerns.

I think getting scratched by the team is proof enough. Maurice scratched him twice for bad behavior (track suit and a fight with teammate) before they shipped him off to the Sabres. No hearsay here. The guy has been a grade A ###### in winnipeg and buffalo.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

MacTavish, Heatley, Ramage, to name a few, all killed people due to liquor abuse and pure idiocy. Pat Kane is known to be a complete sleaze bag with ties to a rape case but somehow he no longer seems to be ripped on as much as the terrible Evander Kane.

Not to defend any of them.
MacTavish was almost 35 years ago and he's taken plenty of heat over the years.
When is the last time anyone ever had anything nice to say about Heatley?
Ramage was almost 15 years ago, he had been retired at that point for almost 10 years and he was sentenced pretty harshly (at the time).
Pat Kane has also taken plenty of heat and is widely recognized as a butt hole even though he was never charged.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Not to defend any of them.
MacTavish was almost 35 years ago and he's taken plenty of heat over the years.
When is the last time anyone ever had anything nice to say about Heatley?
Ramage was almost 15 years ago, he had been retired at that point for almost 10 years and he was sentenced pretty harshly (at the time).
Pat Kane has also taken plenty of heat and is widely recognized as a butt hole even though he was never charged.

And most importantly. These were bad citizen moments, not hockey incidents.

[Erick Estrada]

Has there every been a forward that's never had a 60 point season made so much money? He's already over $30 million in career earnings and with this contract will be over $80 million. There's little doubt that the projection of what Evander Kane could be is much more tantalizing than the reality and some teams are still willing to roll the dice on the projection. It would have been interesting to see what he ultimately would have got in free agency as he's pretty polarizing so I imagine a few teams would have crossed him off the list based on character concerns but there would have been a few teams with significant interest I'm sure.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Fire

UFA vs RFA

How much do you think Gaudreau would get if he was a UFA? Probably around $10 million a season.

No I know apples to oranges, I more meant that I'm glad we have Gaudreau for such a decent price.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I can't believe people are actually debating Brouwer vs Kane.

If they traded Brouwer for Kane today, I would be over-joyed (7 years is a long contract, but it's Brouwer we are talking about here....)

[dash_pinched]

With both Sedins retiring and Kane being from Vancouver, I have little doubt that Benning and the Canucks would have been in hot and heavy on Evander if he would have made it to July 1st. Just my opinion, but I think he may have left some money on the table as the Canucks would have likely gone significantly higher than 7 million per season.

[dustygoon]

I think the problem is the injuries.

He has matured, San Jose is a good locker room for him, and he is a unique talent that fits well in this division. 7x7 for a 26 year old with this skill set isn't bad.

But the guy constantly is hurt or at least says he is hurt. Power forwards have shorter lifespans. Iggy changed the way he played to extend his career. Probably looks like overpayment once he hits 30.

[theslymonkey]

They were talking "team culture and buy in" this morning on 960 with regards to the success of the Knights. I think that it's a bigger thing that most of us get. I don't think Kane fits with anyone on the Flames, but for some reason it seems to work on the Cali teams. So I'm not surprised that the Sharks did the deal. Kane scores goals. The Flames need that, they just don't need someone who doesn't fit in the room. I hope they can find someone with a demeanor that fits with Gio, Johnny Mony... and that's definitely not Kane.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

He has matured.

Where's the evidence of this?

I guess in the last reported incident, 3 months ago, when Falk called him a selfish ####, he had a better canned answer. But a player that everyone regarded as selfish, gets into it with a teammate and is called selfish, probably means that the room sees him as selfish.