Francis: Why Valimaki is unlikely to return this summer

[dissentowner]

Francis saying what we all have been saying for months.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Are schools going to remained closed? Teachers and Profs and support staff furloughed?

Based on all the information I have on hand the resumption of classes in the Fall will appear DRAMATICALLY different than how schools have operated in the past. Things here in BC are not settled, but word is that my kids will be on site, in classes only two or three days a week, and all students will attend on an alternating basis. My brother is a band teacher in High River, and his 67-page return-to-work document mandates required measures for social distancing, and has banned the usage of all wind instruments.

And that's just in education, which most citizens in this country would consider to be an essential service. How does that even remotely compare to the luxury of professional sports?

Right now most everything is at least partially back except for schools and sports. 80% of small businesses have re-opened to a greater or lesser degree.



It sounds like vaccines and treatments are being approved for use prior to year end. If the vaccine and recovery from Covid with immunity work it is back to normal.... If they don't then it is the end of the world as we know it.... no hockey ever.

Yeah, I think the evidence is pretty compelling to show that the world has already, irreparably changed as a result of this. I, of course will remain hopeful about a vaccine—I'm sure not confident about seeing one in 2020, and will be happy to see hockey come back safely. But even before the onset of a second wave it still seems extremely overly optimistic to imagine the return of professional sports before 2021.


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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sure, lots. There have been lots of knee surgeries that have taken place where the recovery time is the better part of a year. Plus, these circumstances are unique as well. Valikmaki likely would have been back on the ice by now, but COVID-19 has has put a halt to that. Now it is a matter of deciding whether to put him into the lineup for an abbreviated run or sit him out until November and not lose a year of contract. Decision seems pretty simple to me. Enjoy practice and the pop corn Juuso.



Why am I not surprised that you all about metal plates in people's heads?

Come on, recognize circumstances and that these are very different from any time in the past. This actually probably works out best for Valimaki. Extra time to rehab the knee and get back to 100%. Also gives him plenty of time to get confidence in the knee and get accustomed to whatever brace they him use. This is all a good thing for him and the team.

So there are no other ACL injuries in the history of the NHL that have taken as long to come back from as Valimaki's.

I hope the Flames are just messing with him

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So there are no other ACL injuries in the history of the NHL that have taken as long to come back from as Valimaki's.

I hope the Flames are just messing with him

Robby Fabbri took a year and a half to recover.
Are you going to admit you are either wrong or just making stuff up? Or will you do what you usually do and not acknowledge your misrepresentation of facts at all?
Your shtick is old

[TheScorpion]

And even then Fabbri didn't really come back as a viable NHLer until this past year with Detroit.

It basically took him over two full years.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Robby Fabbri took a year and a half to recover.
Are you going to admit you are either wrong or just making stuff up? Or will you do what you usually do and not acknowledge your misrepresentation of facts at all?
Your shtick is old

Thanks for the example

Fabbri was injured February 4, 2017, he had surgery feb 28 and was cleared for play July 31 . He was re-injured at training camp had another operation and missed that full year and was back for training camp and started the next season in the AHL...then he was back part time with the Blues as a 4th liner not in the lineup half the games

So from his second surgery Fabbri was back quicker than Valimaki is now.

At some point of time Valimaki will have to take a hit on his knee ... what is the optimal time ?

Fabbri had 123 NHL games and 20 Playoff games before he was injured the first time

Based on Fabbri situation maybe the expectations of Valimaki stepping into a top-4 D-man over the next 2-3 years should be tempered.

[Boreal]

The good news is that if Francis says he won’t play, that means he probably will, which means the Flames depth on d would be decimated by a long playoff run.

I’m an optimist.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Thanks for the example

Fabbri was injured February 4, 2017, he had surgery feb 28 and was cleared for play July 31 . He was re-injured at training camp had another operation and missed that full year and was back for training camp and started the next season in the AHL...then he was back part time with the Blues as a 4th liner not in the lineup half the games

So from his second surgery Fabbri was back quicker than Valimaki is now.

At some point of time Valimaki will have to take a hit on his knee ... what is the optimal time ?

Fabbri had 123 NHL games and 20 Playoff games before he was injured the first time

Based on Fabbri situation maybe the expectations of Valimaki stepping into a top-4 D-man over the next 2-3 years should be tempered.

Any serious injury should require that expectations be tempered. Which likely means the team needs and is considering contingency plans.
But knees have know set timeline. There are guidelines, but recoveries can take all sorts of shapes and timelines.

You seem to want to look at this in a very binary way that either:
- There should be serious concerns about the player's long-term health
- Or the Flames are screwing around with him.

Where is is in fact possible that neither of those things are true. That the player is still a high potential player, who's recovery is being managed carefully and in consideration of expansion ramifications.

Both the player and team are probably making sensible choices - together.

[united]

Don Maloney and Chris Snow strongly hinted at him not playing already, too. Maybe he plays in the finals if #3 D has struggled or they are decimated by injuries, but losing expansion flexibility is a big cost relative to the upgrade and duration of the upgrade.

[btimbit]

I say keep him out for the expansion draft. There's not really a need to play him with the depth we have anyway