[News] Hamonic opts out of Return to Play

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Legit any kid under 10 years old has a better chance of dying in a car crash over the next year than dying of covid

So him choosing to protect his child who already has had a respiratory illness , from another uncontrolled respiratory illness is considered what to you now? Im genuinely curious how you can judge a father protecting his family. Or are you on the "its a light flu" train. Regardless of how you feel, it impacts you in no way. But good on you for finding a way to donald trump level explain away a man choosing family over a kids game. Clap clap clap.

[Jiri Hrdina]

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=179839

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Any goalie pairings opt-out? lol

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Any goalie pairings opt-out? lol

Hawks fans seem to be worried about Crawford. Not sure why.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No one under the age of 10 has died from Covid in the USA and America has had over three million cases. The rationale is pretty dumb

The rationale is not dumb. It’s someone else.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

[Strange Brew]

Are the families coming into the “bubble”? Obviously they don’t have to even if allowed at some point.

I assume for those not playing it’s more about not wanting to be away from family or their own personal risk and financial/contract situation.

[FlamesAddiction]

Some people keep the virus in their body for months. I read a recent news story about someone who had it for 3 months (most of that time they were asymptomatic). It's quite possible to get the virus and pass it on long after exposure.

Also, I don't like the logic some people use that children are unlikely to die from it, so it isn't a big deal. Getting your child sick and making them suffer is still a big deal even if they are likely to survive. Hamonic has a good reason to have that thought weighing on him.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are the families coming into the “bubble”? Obviously they don’t have to even if allowed at some point.

I assume for those not playing it’s more about not wanting to be away from family or their own personal risk and financial/contract situation.

Families will be allowed to go to Edmonton for the Conference Finals and Final. There will be different quarantine requirements if they chose to stay in a separate hotel or if they stay with the player in his hotel room.

Prior to that, no one who isn't on a team's approved personnel list will be allowed inside the bubble.


Based on some social media posts, it looks like a lot of guys left their wife and kids at home when they flew to Calgary for "Phase 2" and training camp. I saw posts from both Ryan and Backlund saying how much they already miss their families back home, but they were excited to play again.

Talbot just tweeted this out earlier tonight:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282154609377607680

Talbot is in a weird situation because his family makes their summer home in Edmonton (I believe that's what he said when he signed last year), so when the players are in the bubble, his kids will be nearby, but they might as well be on the moon.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by kurwamac

I think it's appalling that you feel comfortable insinuating that he should feel ashamed of his faith.


That's a pretty low comment. You'll probably get padded on the back for making a light attack, can you say something like that? Yeah. Does it improve your character and integrity? No.

Haha. Whatever. I think you are taking things a bit too seriously. And projecting some things that aren’t there.

I’m not insinuating anything, much less that he should feel ashamed. I think he is a great all around guy. Didn’t even say what he should do, only that I wouldn’t have dropped a handful of references to my faith, just would have kept it on point.

I just think it is interesting when people go out of their way to volunteer arguably irrelevant info.

I do know he is not going to be spending his off time eating vegan or doing yoga though. Because people who do those things will be sure to tell you about them

Hope that helps, friend

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haha. Whatever. I think you are taking things a bit too seriously. And projecting some things that aren’t there.

I’m not insinuating anything, much less that he should feel ashamed. I think he is a great all around guy. Didn’t even say what he should do, only that I wouldn’t have dropped a handful of references to my faith, just would have kept it on point.

I just think it is interesting when people go out of their way to volunteer arguably irrelevant info.

I do know he is not going to be spending his off time eating vegan or doing yoga though. Because people who do those things will be sure to tell you about them

Hope that helps, friend

His faith is not “irrelevant “ to him and his family.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by timbit

His faith is not “irrelevant “ to him and his family.

Sure. But he is announcing to the public that he is not playing, and part of the reasoning is not wanting to take on risk to his family, as he has family history with a respiratory disease.

I would approach a matter of fact issue in a matter of fact way.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sure. But he is announcing to the public that he is not playing, and part of the reasoning is not wanting to take on risk to his family, as he has family history with a respiratory disease.

I would approach a matter of fact issue in a matter of fact way.

It's still a personal statement

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sure. But he is announcing to the public that he is not playing, and part of the reasoning is not wanting to take on risk to his family, as he has family history with a respiratory disease.

I would approach a matter of fact issue in a matter of fact way.

Apparently, Hamonic and his family made a tough decision based on faith and his desire to protect his family.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Is that better?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No one under the age of 10 has died from Covid in the USA and America has had over three million cases. The rationale is pretty dumb

How many under the age of age 10 had other health issues after having Covid?

How many with pre-existing issues saw their health deteriorate after having Covid?

How many returned to 100% health after having Covid?

If you could show me that data I would appreciate it, because I do not know.

But........I do know as a father if there is anything greater than a 0% chance that my daughter could have health issues because of me chasing a rubber puck around a hockey rink for your entertainment then I am declining to play.

If you feel like he should do whatever it takes for your entertainment then we will never agree.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, you guys care more about this than I do. Maybe find someone else who wants to discuss

[SebC]

I would guess that his daughter is orders of magnitude more likely to be harmed by all the injuries, head trauma, etc. that could happen to him during ordinary play and cost her her father than by covid, which makes this decision more of an emotional one than a rational one. But, whatever. Emotions are real.

[timbit]

Perhaps the next time a person comes up with a legitimate reason(s) for making a serious decision maybe sit back and digest his rationale without negating his reasoning because of things you know little about.

Just a thought.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by timbit

Perhaps the next time a person comes up with a legitimate reason(s) for making a serious decision maybe sit back and digest his rationale without negating his reasoning because of things you know little about.

Just a thought.

I didn’t negate his reasoning, guy. Keep on thinking

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Some people keep the virus in their body for months. I read a recent news story about someone who had it for 3 months (most of that time they were asymptomatic). It's quite possible to get the virus and pass it on long after exposure.

Also, I don't like the logic some people use that children are unlikely to die from it, so it isn't a big deal. Getting your child sick and making them suffer is still a big deal even if they are likely to survive. Hamonic has a good reason to have that thought weighing on him.

I haven’t seen this article but if this turns out be true, it makes any kind of everyday life difficult for households with high risk individuals.

One thing about the NHL situation is the constant testing. Unless you believe tests are not accurate, you wouldn’t be bringing the virus back to your family.

It seems like the risk of an NHL player infecting their family is less than if they returned from the grocery store.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No one under the age of 10 has died from Covid in the USA and America has had over three million cases. The rationale is pretty dumb

You realize that death isn’t the only long term outcome right? And you are incorrect - there have been a few who have died from COVID or underlying conditions made worse by COVID. Plus kids are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers, which itself poses risks to their unsuspecting families.