2019 Tennis Thread

[CedarMeter]

Nadal is on Fire now.

[CedarMeter]

92 and 2. That is nutty.

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Originally Posted by CedarMeter

92 and 2. That is nutty.

One game away from 93 and 2.

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Nadal has more French Open titles than Borg and Laver have grand slams titles. That's also nuts. Congrats Rafa!

[Nadal Fan]

12 titles at one Grand slam might just be the most unbreakable record in all of tennis. For someone like Felix to tie it he would need to win every French Open from 2020-2031. Congratulations to Nadal but I feel bad for Thiem, talk about everything going against you, lessor players would have crumbled. I hope he eventually wins a Grand Slam he is certainly deserving of one.

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all the djok and fed fans that were cheering for thiem can

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Nadal with two historic achievements: first to twelve wins at a single major, and first person to win a major after having to play only three matches.

[Nadal Fan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nadal with two historic achievements: first to twelve wins at a single major, and first person to win a major after having to play only three matches.

I hope Nadal gets the easiest Wimbledon draw just to see this place explode.

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Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

I hope Nadal gets the easiest Wimbledon draw just to see this place explode.

their heads will explode on their own by just being fans of you know who

[Senator Clay Davis]

Congrats to Rafa, greatest clay player ever. No shot you could ever consider him better than Novak or Roger, but the greatest ever on the lesser surface still means something I guess.

[Nadal Fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Congrats to Rafa, greatest clay player ever. No shot you could ever consider him better than Novak or Roger, but the greatest ever on the lesser surface still means something I guess.

I think you should wait until all 3 retire before we can have a true GOAT discussion, BUT, having said that I don't see how you could put Novak over Rafa at this point in their careers. Nadal has more Grand Slam titles, more ATP 1000 titles, more total titles, and the most unbreakable record in all of tennis. Novak has the nole slam and more weeks at #1. Also their H2H is very close at 26-28.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

I hope Nadal gets the easiest Wimbledon draw just to see this place explode.

I know you're lashing out because some of the people here who dislike Rafa give you a hard time. but you're overall a positive contributor to this thread and it would be lame if you got sucked into spending your time trash talking. you post all season long even when Rafa's not winning, and you like to actually discuss other players and even WTA sometimes. you're not for example a spiteface that just shows up for one day every year to celebrate another Roland Garros victory, then disappears. don't be a spiteface.

Rafa's the 2nd most most popular tennis player in history, but just maybe not here in this forum. that's something you'll have to deal with until the Big 3 pack it in, so next time you get pissed that someone's crapping on your idol, just ask yourself what Rafa himself would do...stay respectful, stay humble.

[Nadal Fan]

Novak Djokovic hadn't lost a single Grand Slam match in almost a year, was looking unstoppable on his way to another Nole slam. Unfortunately for him, forces beyond his control were working behind the scenes, a force even greater than he was about to take him down.......

https://twitter.com/user/status/1137005727548149760

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Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

I hope Nadal gets the easiest Wimbledon draw just to see this place explode.

I don't. Nobody should be getting that kind of treatment. It's excruciatingly bad for tennis and that Nadal draw should be considered one of the biggest farces in tennis history. All the other top seeds had to at least battle legitimate tour level players. Rafa literally got to go beat down challenger tour level (or worse) players in the first two rounds. To mentally have zero worry about your opponent for the first two matches of a major event because they are so woefully below your skill level is just not fair to the rest of the field.

With that said, I really don't think it would have mattered given how unbeatable Nadal's game is on the Roland Garros clay. 12 Majors in a career is something special and for him to win that many at one event is just unbelievable. For me, he really needs to win another grass or hard court major or two if he's going to legitimately challenge Federer or Novak for the greatest ever claim when it's all said and done. He's definitely not the same player he was on Grass or hard court anymore, but he should still challenge at those events for a few years if he can stay healthy that long.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

I think you should wait until all 3 retire before we can have a true GOAT discussion, BUT, having said that I don't see how you could put Novak over Rafa at this point in their careers. Nadal has more Grand Slam titles, more ATP 1000 titles, more total titles, and the most unbreakable record in all of tennis. Novak has the nole slam and more weeks at #1. Also their H2H is very close at 26-28.

To me here is the reason you can't have Nadal in the top two: there's a legit claim both Roger and Novak are in the top five ever on clay. Nadal is maybe in the top ten ever on hard/grass, but not even worth discussing for top five. That he's so far ahead of everyone else on clay is the only reason it's a discussion. Also Novak's peak was far greater than Nadal's. Nadal was always beatable outside clay even at his peak. Novak and Roger? Not so much.

[Nadal Fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

To me here is the reason you can't have Nadal in the top two: there's a legit claim both Roger and Novak are in the top five ever on clay. Nadal is maybe in the top ten ever on hard/grass, but not even worth discussing for top five. That he's so far ahead of everyone else on clay is the only reason it's a discussion. Also Novak's peak was far greater than Nadal's. Nadal was always beatable outside clay even at his peak. Novak and Roger? Not so much.

It's so hard to rank Roger and Novak on clay IMO. They each so far have one French Open BUT they were playing the same time as the clay GOAT which hurts their number of titles won. Borg is clearly #2 clay court player but after that we got Lendl, Wilander and Kuerten with 3 french opens each. Had Nadal not played tennis, you could make a case that Roger and Novak would each have 5 RG titles so do you put them ahead of the likes of Lendl, Wilander and Kuerten? Also what about Stanimal he also has a title and another finals apperance. Novak beat Nadal at the French which means a lot, but he lost that finals to Stanimal. To me they are top 10 for sure maybe top 5. I also probably put Roger slightly ahead of Novak on clay.

On the flip side, Nadal has had to play in an era with the Wimbledon and Australian Open GOATS. If Roger never played tennis, you could make an argument that Nadal would have 4 Wimbledon titles which would be 4th most all time. As well, in Australia he lost to Novak in 2 finals and some guy named Roger in the other so he could have multiple titles there as well. He's played in 5 Australian Open finals (1 title), 5 Wimbledon finals (2 titles) and 4 US Open Finals (3 titles). It's not like he is regularly getting knocked out in the first week, he is always going deep in all Grand Slams, and who knows I think he could win another US Open/Wimbledon/Australian Open if things go his way.

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Lots of rain in Europe today which means a triple-header of Canadian action in Stuttgart on Tuesday. Only bummer is none of the matches are being televised as far as I can tell (streaming available via tennis tv).

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Novak Djokovic hadn't lost a single Grand Slam match in almost a year, was looking unstoppable on his way to another Nole slam. Unfortunately for him, forces beyond his control were working behind the scenes, a force even greater than he was about to take him down.......

gross, didn't McDavid do this last year to Felix and Denis at Rogers Cup? rub his Oiler loser stink on them and they both went out early?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Roger would have five more majors if he were playing literally anyone other than Nada in the finals he's made it to or the semis in 2005. 05/06/07/08 is Roger's peak, and in 2011 he dropped exactly one set - to Novak Djokovic - en route to the final. In other words, he beat the only other person who could have beaten him.

You could argue that it'd be six including this year, but it's impossible to say whether Thiem would have beaten him given how good Thiem is right now on clay, so we'll stick with 5, for a total of 25.

If Rafa never had to face Roger, he'd have 21. Maybe. Assuming he would beat anyone he would've had to play instead of Roger.

It seems to me that Roger is clearly the best hard court and grass player ever. He's also the second best clay player ever. Rafa is clearly the best clay player ever, but is not the second best ever on grass or hard surfaces. So there's just no comparison as to who is the best all around. And this assumes that all surfaces are equal, where most would say that clay is the lesser surface of the three.

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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

gross, didn't McDavid do this last year to Felix and Denis at Rogers Cup? rub his Oiler loser stink on them and they both went out early?

You are correct sir.