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“It’s part of Japan’s food culture,” said Sakai, adding that she ate a lot of whale as a child. “The world opposes killing whales, but you can say the same thing about many of the animals bred on land and killed for food.”
Can someone explain this line of thinking to me? She's comparing chicken farms or ranching to hunting whales? It's almost like some of these people feel entitled to eat it today because they did as a kid. I'm not an expert on the earth's whale population but I imagine that hunting them will have a long term effect on them or it wouldn't have been stopped 30 years ago.
The only reason the one single Whaling company exists in Iceland is because of Japan's market, even though finally lots of Icelander's are pushing for us to stop the small amount of whaling we do, its stupid nationalism and pride that keeps many from supporting it.
The more Greenpeace, outsiders tell Iceland to stop whaling, the more stubborn and resistant people get here, even those on the sidelines who have no strong feelings.
Can someone explain this line of thinking to me? She's comparing chicken farms or ranching to hunting whales? It's almost like some of these people feel entitled to eat it today because they did as a kid. I'm not an expert on the earth's whale population but I imagine that hunting them will have a long term effect on them or it wouldn't have been stopped 30 years ago.
What is special about a Whale vs a chicken? Why is hunting deer different from hunting Whale
Really the question should be asked are the methods of hunting reasonably humane (the poultry industry probably fails here) and have populations recovered sufficiently that a sustainable fishery can be managed.
The minke whale is one of the whales they hunt and it currently has a sustainable population and is not at risk.
What is special about a Whale vs a chicken? Why is hunting deer different from hunting Whale
Really the question should be asked are the methods of hunting reasonably humane (the poultry industry probably fails here) and have populations recovered sufficiently that a sustainable fishery can be managed.
I think the answer here is fairly obvious. How many species of deer are endangered or threatened?
I think one thing that makes hunting whales different from deer is that you can select a male deer whereas the Japanese killed about 125 pregnant females last year in the name of science. As another poster said, no one eats whales anymore. This is not going to be a profitable industry.
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A quick google search and a click bate website suggests that 23 species of deer are endangered or threatened. But that isn't the correct question.
Are the whales that the Japanese hunting endangered? I checked the Minke and it isn't at risk through the Antarctic one is.
Much of what the Japanese crave most from seafood is at risk or endangered, they are aggressively fishing all over the world, without any thought to the health of future fish and whale stocks.
Their appetite is ferocious and culturally they just seem to not care.
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I think one thing that makes hunting whales different from deer is that you can select a male deer whereas the Japanese killed about 125 pregnant females last year in the name of science. As another poster said, no one eats whales anymore. This is not going to be a profitable industry.
This is a good point that I hadn't thought of. Male deer (males in almost every species actually) are biologically worthless, the females are orders of magnitude more important.
I'm far from an environmentalist especially by today's standards but I wish that they could make whaling illegal, for a bunch of the reasons mentioned. I'd also like to ban whale watching and any other group that makes it their business to harass these animals. South Park made a interesting point in their episode about this that Whales and Dolphins are just as arbitrary as chicken and cows but the big difference is you can farm these land based animals and there's no danger of either going extinct and leaving a massive whole in the ecosystem. Thank goodness petroleum oil was discovered just in time in the 1860's to replace whale oil otherwise they'd have disappeared long time ago.
I found this on some of the issues for the species they are targeting:
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“There are two types of minke whale exploited off the coast of Japan,” he told AFP.
The one found in coastal waters — in the Sea of Japan, the East China Sea and the Yellow Sea — is quite severely depleted due to a long history of catches by Japan and South Korea.
Besides those targeted by whalers, others die after getting caught up in netting set for fish, he explained.
Known as the ‘J stock’, the coast-hugging minke (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) are highly unusual among baleen, or filter-feeding, whales because they breed during the summer rather than the winter.
Surveys by Japanese and South Korean fisheries agencies have estimated their numbers at about 1,500, Cooke said in an interview.
The more plentiful ‘O stock’ minke — which breed in summer and number about 25,000 — are found further north in the Sea of Okhotsk, in Russian waters.
The other subspecies is found in Japan’s southern waters and supports a local whale-watching industry. Also known as Eden’s whale, they number just under 170, according to a 20-year old stocktake, Cooke said.
For the endangered Sei whale, experts disagree on how to characterise its population.
“Japanese scientists insist that there is only one (population) in the whole North Pacific,” said Cooke. “But they have only collected data from the offshore area.”
A competing hypothesis is that the region is home to five distinct populations, including one along the western coast that will now be hunted for its meat.
The latest estimate for this subgroup is about 400, Cook said.
What is special about a Whale vs a chicken? Why is hunting deer different from hunting Whale
Really the question should be asked are the methods of hunting reasonably humane (the poultry industry probably fails here) and have populations recovered sufficiently that a sustainable fishery can be managed.
The minke whale is one of the whales they hunt and it currently has a sustainable population and is not at risk.
Chicken aren't remotely close to endangered. In fact they are bred for consumption. The humane angle is not really relative to this discussion as that's a different topic. The fact you used the word "sustainable" for whales vs chickens makes the premise of your argument pretty ridiculous.
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Chicken aren't remotely close to endangered. In fact they are bred for consumption. The humane angle is not really relative to this discussion as that's a different topic. The fact you used the word "sustainable" for whales vs chickens makes the premise of your argument pretty ridiculous.
I didn't use the word sustainable for whales vs chickens
It wasn't clear whether you were objecting on humane grounds where the Whale vs Chicken question is very valid or whether you were objecting on sustainability grounds in which case Whale vs Deer is a reasonable comparison
Also I didn't make an argument that whaling should be uniformly allowed. I suggested that the framework should be based on sustainability and humaneness rather than a moral objection.
Can someone explain this line of thinking to me? She's comparing chicken farms or ranching to hunting whales? It's almost like some of these people feel entitled to eat it today because they did as a kid. I'm not an expert on the earth's whale population but I imagine that hunting them will have a long term effect on them or it wouldn't have been stopped 30 years ago.
I read that as maybe trying to draw a line to the one billion+ people who find it sacrilegious that we eat cow? That would certainly count.
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